TR to FvS

[taroksing]

Hey guys, I'm a cleric 20 and making plans to TR to FvS but I'd like to keep it the "healing way", just as my cleric is.
I've mostly seen here builds for offensive casting FvS and I've used them to make this build.

I'd rlly apreciate advice on abilities scores, spell choices and feats.

One of the most important doubt i have is if it's right to pick both empower and empower healing, since I'd really want to keep my healing efficiency as it is with my cleric (yes yes.. i know the sp pool advantages, but sometimes u have to heal a WF barb with 900hp and without empower healing, how the hell do I do that?)

Thanks for the feedback!

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Tekaa 
Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(20 Favored Soul) 
Hit Points: 302
Spell Points: 1951 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 11
Will: 23

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             10                    10
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         16                    16
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               18                    26
Charisma             14                    18

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance              -1                    -1
Bluff                 2                     4
Concentration         7                    26
Diplomacy             2                     6
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                2                     4
Heal                  4                    10
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate            2                     4
Jump                  0                    13
Listen                4                     8
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                  4                     8
Swim                  0                     0
Tumble               n/a                   -0.5
Use Magic Device      4                    15

{\b {\ul Notable Equipment }} \par Dragontouched Breastplate \par Bracers of the Glacier \par Charismatic Cloak of Protection \par Health Belt \par Wise Necklace \par Great Commander Green Steel Goggles of Aspect of Air \par Dusk Heart \par Minos Legens \par Supreme Tyrant Green Steel Weave Cloak  of Existential Stalemate \par Charismatic Ring \par  \par Level 1 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness


Level 2 (Favored Soul)


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration


Level 4 (Favored Soul)


Level 5 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Shield Mastery


Level 7 (Favored Soul)


Level 8 (Favored Soul)


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 10 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity


Level 11 (Favored Soul)


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 13 (Favored Soul)


Level 14 (Favored Soul)


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 16 (Favored Soul)


Level 17 (Favored Soul)


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 19 (Favored Soul)


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Deity) Favored Soul Damage Reduction: Silver
Enhancement: Favored Soul Ascendency: Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Life III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery I

Spells:
Lv1
CLW
Divine Favor
Nightshield
Remove Fear

Lv2
Hold person
Lesser Resto
Resist Energy
Soundburst

Lv3
Remove Disease
Magic circle against evil
Mass Aid
Remove Curse

Lv4
Cure Critical Wounds
Divine Power
FOM
Recitacion

Lv5
Divine Punishment
Break Enchantment
Greater Command
Mass CLW

Lv6
BB
Cometfall
Heal

Lv7
Destruction
Ressurection
Greater Restoration

Lv8
Mass Deathward
Holy Aura
Mass CCW

Lv9
Implosion
Mass Healing
True Resurection

Thanks again!

[Iaga]

Stats look good - it's what i use on my offensive caster who heals loads.

Skills - 1 in tumble, max conc, 10 in jump, rest in UMD.

Feats - not having quicken is a mistake - it makes BB far more useable and you'll need it for your healing too. I dropped extend - 20 minute buffs are enough in most situations and the shorter ones like divine power you won't be using often enough with a str of 10 to matter. I went with SF:evo instead of SP. I think emp heal is overkill. With max and emp i rarely (if ever) have problems healing (and you can heal enough of that 900 HP barb's red bar with a clicky running that it's not a huge deal)

I also run with shield mastery. The leviks combined with the capstone DR means you can sit in the middle of most fights and heal with no worries. The minimal incoming damage is trivially healed and helps to proc my sp regen items. It's turned out to be a very useful feat for my playstyle.

Spells - i can't remember everything i run with - but it looks like you have more single target heals than i'd bother taking. Mass heal, 2x mass cures, capstone, sov heal and scrolls work well enough in my experience.

[Dazalarian]

Hi,

stats looks fine, one can argue about the points in str or even consider dropping start cha a bit more. but its allright.

you can drop loads of the healingspells, you wont need them all, trust me. 5 is what you need, rest is luxury.

spothealing:
cmw or csw (check what other useful spells there are at their respective levels)
heal

masshealing:
massheal
mcmw
mcsw
OR
massheal
mclw
mcmw

Depending a bit on your item setup and willingness to use clickies to boost healing.

Cheers,
-Daz

[Impaqt]

Hey guys, I'm a cleric 20 and making plans to TR to FvS but I'd like to keep it the "healing way", just as my cleric is.
I've mostly seen here builds for offensive casting FvS and I've used them to make this build.

I'd rlly apreciate advice on abilities scores, spell choices and feats.

One of the most important doubt i have is if it's right to pick both empower and empower healing, since I'd really want to keep my healing efficiency as it is with my cleric (yes yes.. i know the sp pool advantages, but sometimes u have to heal a WF barb with 900hp and without empower healing, how the hell do I do that?)

Tell the WF barb to get some healing amplification. Especially at end game, a WF barb that expects to be a "Main tank" needs amplifcation.

Thanks for the feedback!

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Tekaa 
Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(20 Favored Soul) 
Hit Points: 302
Spell Points: 1951 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 11
Will: 20

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             10                 10                   10
Dexterity             8                  8                    8
Constitution         16                 16                   16
Intelligence          8                 10                   10
Wisdom               18                 23                   26
Charisma             14                 14                   18

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7

                  Starting            Ending          
                 Base Skills        Base Skills       
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Balance              -1                 -1            
Bluff                 2                  4            
Concentration         7                 26            
Diplomacy             2                  4            
Disable Device       n/a                n/a           
Haggle                2                  4            
Heal                  4                  8            
Hide                 -1                 -1            
Intimidate            2                  4            
Jump                  0                 13            
Listen                4                  8            
Move Silently        -1                 -1            
Open Lock            n/a               n/a            
Perform               n/a               n/a           
Repair               -1                  0            
Search               -1                  0            
Spot                  4                  8            
Swim                  0                  0            
Tumble               n/a                -0.5          
Use Magic Device      4                 15            

Level 1 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds


Level 2 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (1): Nightshield


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Spell (1): Remove Fear


Level 4 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds


Level 5 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire
Spell (2): Resist Energy


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds


Level 7 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (2): Lesser Restoration
Spell (3): Magic Circle Against Evil


Level 8 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Spell (2): Soundburst
Spell (3): Mass Aid
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement


Level 10 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds


Level 11 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (3): Remove Curse
Spell (4): Divine Power
Spell (5): Divine Punishment


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Spell (6): Heal


Level 13 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (4): Recitation
Spell (5): Greater Command
Spell (6): Blade Barrier


Level 14 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (7): Mass Cure Serious Wounds


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Spell (5): Break Enchantment
Spell (6): Cometfall
Spell (7): Destruction


Level 16 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (8): Mass Cure Critical Wounds


Level 17 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (7): Resurrection
Spell (8): Death Pact


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Spell (9): Mass Heal


Level 19 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (8): Holy Aura
Spell (9): Implosion


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Deity) Favored Soul Damage Reduction: Silver
Spell (9): True Resurrection
Enhancement: Favored Soul Ascendency: Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Life III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II

Spells:
Lv1
CLW
Divine Favor
Nightshield
Remove Fear

Lv2
CMW
Lesser Resto
Resist Energy
Soundburst

Lv3
CSW
Magic circle against evil
Mass Aid
Remove Curse

Lv4
Cure Critical Wounds
Divine Power
FOM
Recitacion

Lv5
Divine Punishment
Break Enchantment
Greater Command
Mass CLW

Lv6
BB
Cometfall
Heal

Lv7
Destruction
Mass CSW
Ressurection

Lv8
Death Pact
Holy Aura
Mass CCW

Lv9
Implosion
Mass Healing
True Resurection

Thanks again!

you really only need one single target cure spell (Plus "heal" of course). and I skip Death pact on my FvS... I've found it just doesnt pay off enough.

[taroksing]

well, guess ill remove the Empower healing and get Shield mastery (also ill swap the levels i get them, shield mastery at lv 3 and extend at 9)

Also, when i read the capstone it says u can cast CLW without using SP, isnt it worth it to learn it? If i didnt pick up CLW i'd pick obscuring mist, which is not such a big deal either.

also:
CMW for Hold person (?)
CSW for Remove Disease (?)
Mass CSW for Greater Restoration (?)
Deathpact for Mass deathward

This way i would have:
Cure light, critical and heal (i dont see lv4 spells (critical wounds) that i dont have and id like to have, other than remove poison)
Mass Light, critical and heal.

I could also change lesser restoration for bull's or bear's

what do u think?

[GenPurpose]

Also, when i read the capstone it says u can cast CLW without using SP, isnt it worth it to learn it? If i didnt pick up CLW i'd pick obscuring mist, which is not such a big deal either.

Not quite. What you get is a feature of your capstone enhancement called Healing Word that functions exactly as cure light, but costs no sp. So you won't have to keep CLW loaded at all.

[Battlehawke]

Looks good, but I would try to find a way to get Quicken in there. Should be a lot of fun

[Impaqt]

well, guess ill remove the Empower healing and get Shield mastery (also ill swap the levels i get them, shield mastery at lv 3 and extend at 9)

Why? a Caster/Healer FvS isnt going to be using a shield all that often. Gotta keep Various Enhancment weapons in your hands almost all the time.. Stuff that just isnt available on a shield. If you want to get rid of Empower Healing, I'd swap in the second Spell Penn feat.

Also, when i read the capstone it says u can cast CLW without using SP, isnt it worth it to learn it? If i didnt pick up CLW i'd pick obscuring mist, which is not such a big deal either.

also:
CMW for Hold person (?)
CSW for Remove Disease (?)
Mass CSW for Greater Restoration (?)
Deathpact for Mass deathward

This way i would have:
Cure light, critical and heal (i dont see lv4 spells (critical wounds) that i dont have and id like to have, other than remove poison)
Mass Light, critical and heal.

I could also change lesser restoration for bull's or bear's

what do u think?

Bulls and bears are useless by level 7 or so. Carry a few scrolls for the hound rad if need be.

Looks good, but I would try to find a way to get Quicken in there. Should be a lot of fun

it is in there.

[Iaga]

Why? a Caster/Healer FvS isnt going to be using a shield all that often. Gotta keep Various Enhancment weapons in your hands almost all the time.. Stuff that just isnt available on a shield. If you want to get rid of Empower Healing, I'd swap in the second Spell Penn feat.

I built my guy to match your evoker Impaqt. After the nerf to extend, i swapped it out for shield mastery and it works pretty well. I can tank a lot of stuff thanks to the increased damage mitigation. Getting hit isn't a bad thing when it procs my torc/greensteel and does next to no damage.

It may not be the "perfect" feat for all caster souls, but for some playstyles it's remarkably useful.

[Sparky21]

looks fine imo.

all the fvs needs is- 18 wis, at least 14 con. every point after that is player preference. i like to go 14 str, 10 int, 10 cha personally (and 1 more point in con for 15 score). doesnt matter.

skills - jump, concentration, umd. one point in tumble, maybe a few in balance

spells look fine, u got most of the staples in there. i have a personal preference to never take a res spell on fvs. why? because you can scroll and clicky it. lvl 9 spell i would toss in energy drain instead of true res...even tho i rarely use it. its nice for doing solo runs; u can drain orange names before popping an implosion to ease the kill.

enjoy the fvs life its a powerful, fun, and fast class...although the first 7 levels can be tough sometimes until you get holy smite

edit - just thought about feats.

a few feats u want by lvl 12:

maximize, empower, toughness.

after that u will want quicken, and heighten at 18. anything after that is player preference

[Mellkor]

Why? a Caster/Healer FvS isnt going to be using a shield all that often. Gotta keep Various Enhancment weapons in your hands almost all the time..

I like the hound shield on a wf healbot FvS. It gives you 38 or so DR when shield blocking at lev 20. Not sure what the DR would be on a human, 20-something? If you plan on healbotting most of the time, that kind of DR really helps a lot, WF or human.

[Iaga]

... It gives you 38 or so DR when shield blocking at lev 20. Not sure what the DR would be on a human, 20-something? ....

WF get at most 5 more stacking DR than a human - why would they have 9+ blocking DR? (honest question - still newish with alot of the numbers in DDO)

[aristarchus1000]

WF get at most 5 more stacking DR than a human - why would they have 9+ blocking DR? (honest question - still newish with alot of the numbers in DDO)

A human fvs using divine power to get max bab:

10 static dr (capstone)
15 hound shield
12 bab (20/2+2)
-----
37

A wf Fvs with addy body and and all enhancements will get 42 while blocking.

[taroksing]

ok i think ive made all the changes i should, changed the feats order and got holy smite as it looks something i should learn

[Mellkor]

WF get at most 5 more stacking DR than a human - why would they have 9+ blocking DR? (honest question - still newish with alot of the numbers in DDO)

For some reason I thought only the WF's adamantine DR stacked with shield blocking. As I said, I am not too sure about that tho. If human FvS DR does stack, then sweet!