Since you can't (won't) make changes - why bother asking for feedback?

[Aelonwy]

it's all fluff and un-needed, none of it is worth killing crafting.

Kill crafting. Go ahead. Shoot it dead. I'd rather they put a standstill on crafting altogether, that is entirely shut down the entrance to the crafting hall then what this update will do to the game as a whole. Forget about the complexities of what these new ingredients (OMG calling raid loot ingredients?!) will do to crafting and think about what it will do to the atmosphere of the game and the community. There is alot of good will and team work that made this game the joy that is... or was because the greed/hoarding that this will cause might just kill this game. So please kill crafting instead.

[Vellrad]

Actually this patch gots couple more things than crafting disaster, for example those unlucky to do backflip to the lava in ToD can be resurrected, help the time, and get loot, some hirelings and spells getting fixed.
While I agree that devs got insane about the crafting thing in this patch, other improvements are good IMO.

[Tharlak]

I haven't begun crafting, you might say "then why do you care?". Well, the problem with this that I see is the impact to raids and bound loot. Regardless of what this does to crafting, everyone who raids is affected as there will be less (potentially no more) rolling on un-needed loot. All loot can be seen as needed to craft.

[karnokvolrath]

As soon as they started charging people TP to use the system, it had no business being called beta anymore.

This.

[Luxx0r]

Test in this context refers to players discovering potential game changing exploits and giving Turbine a chance to nix those before live.

With the new crafting changes, the exploit will be the old one....

***Running fast to craft a couple hundred shards of holy/bane***

[Cam_Neely]

Claims of "but its beta!" won't help opinions formed, beta or not. Once it is released live, the common person no longer assumes beta even if you put it in text on their screen.

Even more so when Turbine puts cash shop items in that help you boost crafting. ie crafting xp boost, astral diamonds ect. You do not expect your player base to pay test for you, and charge them.

*EDIT*

As soon as they started charging people TP to use the system, it had no business being called beta anymore.

^This, did not read all though, and missed this

[FlyingTurtle]

There's a reason why the call a code release a "Train". Because it rushes down the railroad come hell or high water. Many a time I have facepalmed as product management pushes a build to release when something is discovered in the QA cycle that involves "too many code-side changes that will delay the train".

Software engineering has a long and fubared tradition of release completely nonworking rubbish, for the sake of releasing on a regular schedule. Imagine if the automotive industry does that.

[steelblueskies]

new: craftign machines will no need to be reopened when an error occurs.
etc etc.

failed intentions.

so with all this making sure it works stuff they were doing, and we are doing. it got to the point where we are all seeing it, and something as simple as deconstructing an item now requires reopening the deconstruction machine.

so not a single soul tried to deconstruct two random drop items in a row?

um.

claim = untrue.*

as in not fact.*
as in wrong.*

as in we tested this. this is how far we've come. mournlands does exist!

and this is just one bullet point on the patch list.

shall we start a small adventure on lam together so i can tour you through all the others?
we will need more people to go visit velah and the tod stairs again, mind.


you don't even want me to start on outright lies as opposed to simple untruths. those left me and others feeling very /"hulk smash puny kobold." .


*might i suggest a little light reading. say william james' "the meaning of truth". or selections from immanuel kants' "the critique of practical reason".

** it's amazing what you suddenly find the patience to really pay full attention to when bored off your hindquarters. these were on my grindy crafting leveling reading/viewing chronicle, that now may never be posted.

[Uska]

I was going to do a new thread with a very similar content, but different aproach:

WHAT IS LAMANNIA SERVER FOR?

Looking around the threads, I found this:



So there is a thing I don't understand... what's the meaning of test in the previous sentence?

The only conclusion I can reach, it's that Lamannia is here to avoid 'technical' issues, I mean, example bug: if 25 people craft the XXX shard at the exact same time the server crashes due to an unexpected interaction. So then, you know you have to solve it before going to the live servers.

No aproval is needed, no revisions, no meetings, just coding to solve the crash.

But if the issue is a 'content' one, as all the rage running around the new 10.1, all the things previously mentioned are needed. And sadly all the meetings, discussions, aprovals and comunication between departments are the things that make the big companies incapable of responding faster than a crippled snail to any external stimulus (I know this very well, because I work in a company of this kind).

So, either my theory is right or someone answer my question: What is Lamannia used for?

It is just a preview server there is an actual test server but noone who plays on it can say that they do you have to apply and be accepted to play to play their I think you need to be a VIP and in good standing both in game and here on the fourms.

[rdasca]

I think I figured out what the folks at Turbine have done, see they are working so hard over there that they have forgot to update their calendars, and someone happened to look up, and saw April 1st on the calendar.

See it is all a big April's fool’s day joke in July, yeah that's it.

Hey Turbine, I know you look at these forum posting as say, "meh whatever, these guys are less than 5% of the player base who cares what they think", and if pressed really hard you will trod out the old "will the feedback from the players asked for this" (see, dice, gold, TWF, THF, spell pass, et al for examples).

How about you guys surprise us for once and think before doing one of if not the worst thing ever to DDO and kill this update.

[Luxx0r]

It is just a preview server there is an actual test server but noone who plays on it can say that they do you have to apply and be accepted to play to play their I think you need to be a VIP and in good standing both in game and here on the fourms.

Ok, so if Lama is a preview server...

Sorry, I can not end the previous sentence.

What's the use of Lama????

-Hearing the complaints (in a minor scale) 2 weeks before real launch?

-If a server crashing bug was found, do they still release it to live?

-Same as above with a exploit that allows us to get whatever (example: epic scrolls running normal content)

Why do I think that any of the 2 last points would be solved before release to live?

[Caine33]

Seems like they're doing what the Gas stations around here do:

Raise gas by 15-20 cents over the next 2 weeks, hear the uproar it causes

Lower the prices by 5 and then another 5

and reap the profit, while dying laughing hearing customers say that a 5-10 cent hike is ok, compared to a 15-20 cent hike.

[steelblueskies]

Seems like they're doing what the Gas stations around here do:

Raise gas by 15-20 cents over the next 2 weeks, hear the uproar it causes

Lower the prices by 5 and then another 5

and reap the profit, while dying laughing hearing customers say that a 5-10 cent hike is ok, compared to a 15-20 cent hike.

They can try.
Meanwhile some of us are out until they address this.
Raise awareness. Push to get it addressed.
They push it anyway. Okay great. No dimes from here anymore, but be certain I'll consume all the free resources possible, and ensure everyone I meet doesn't consider investing.

Sometimes you get stuck accepting things. This isn't one of them.

[rdasca]

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=596

Thank you MadFloyd.

[Luxx0r]

The train has been stopped. The patch will not ship in its current state. <Snip>

And now I will eat each word I said so far in this post.

***Looking for a pinch of salt***

P.D: Human emotion is a very curious thing, first I tho the devs forgot the player base and that this gane was coming to a very nasty and sad end. Now, I have a so intense faith in the people that work in Turbine, that I want to donate my kidney to them.

[TheKeg]

And now I will eat each word I said so far in this post.

***Looking for a pinch of salt***

P.D: Human emotion is a very curious thing, first I tho the devs forgot the player base and that this gane was coming to a very nasty and sad end. Now, I have a so intense faith in the people that work in Turbine, that I want to donate my kidney to them.

I don't know about that buddy. :P Though I do give them kudos for stopping this after realizing what a flustercluck it was turning out to be. But it does further the community's feelings of there not being much Q in their QA/QC process.

Hopefully this (closing of approval process loopholes) is something that'll be resolved across the board and not just in this particular instance. Seeing as there are other major items/issues that have come to live when they were known about ahead of time, I see there being something borked (not always of this magnitude) in every release.

I think I'd rather have small updates delivered together and system updates (crafting, combat, handwrap issues, etc...) delivered separately and only once tested. There's no reason not to let the rest of this update through and just leave off the crafting part.

[BangsLiekWhoa]

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=596

Thank you MadFloyd.

Thanks again devs for hearing our collective voice and listening to what we had to say.