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  1. 07-07-2011, 05:38 PM #1
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    Default build request, battle-caster

    I know dont do it, but I feel like something different for my next life. So im looking for a 34 pt sorc or wiz build that is decent at melee.
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    My favorite has been Gemstone - just can't choose between his 32-pt build and his 36-pt build. His 34-pt life was a disappointment, however.

    32-pt: 12 Wiz/6 Ranger/2 Monk
    36-pt: 11 Wiz/6 Ranger/3 Rog (contemplating dropping Intimidate and going to a 12/6/2)
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    What was your first life?
    Ghallanda - now with fewer alts and more ghostbane
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    Quote Originally Posted by voodoogroves View Post
    What was your first life?
    It's in the link in my sig - just gotta click the thread link at the top to see more than the latest build.

    In a nutshell, it was a pre-Tempest1 nerf TempestWizard. If I did it again in the current game, I'd trade in the Dodge+Mobility+Spring Attack for something else... poor tempest1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voodoogroves View Post
    What was your first life?
    Sorry, I should have put that in my OP, my first life was pure wizard.
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    Exclamation Cast or Melee?

    There are essentially two routes you could follow: a caster that melees or a melee that casts (buffs). Both have their distinctive advantages and disadvantages.

    Phidius prefers the buffing melees, with the ability to heal, haste, rage and displace for example; whereas I am partial to casters that melee.

    Melee splits generally aim for Wiz11 (WF), Wiz12 (PM) or Sorc12 (WF) with level ups into STR or DEX (for finesse).

    Caster splits will typically have far more caster levels generally aiming for lvl8+ spells (Wiz15+ or Sorc16+) with level ups into their casting stat INT (Wiz) or CHA (Sorc).

    With your past Wiz life you could easily have near full casting as a Wiz17 and still melee well with the 3 splash levels (Rog, Monk, Ftr, Barb make good splashes)
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    Default Oldie but a Goodie

    Check out Tak's Caster Tank the Tukaw build.

    I have one on Ghallanda, and I love it. It is very gear intensive, but what build isn't these days.
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    I think I would prefer the caster split rather than the melee split. I want to avoid losing that casting also so I don't really want barb,.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jahmin View Post
    ...
    Phidius prefers the buffing melees, with the ability to heal, haste, rage and displace for example; whereas I am partial to casters that melee.
    ...
    I've got one of those too, and he used to be my favorite. After the spell revamp and addition of cheap SLAs, I find he doesn't melee much anymore, and I learned that standing in the back (to prevent my target slipping behind me) and casting just doesn't appeal to me anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok.cry View Post
    I think I would prefer the caster split rather than the melee split. I want to avoid losing that casting also so I don't really want barb,.
    Precious' build in my sig is a 34-point 18Wiz/2Rog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rheebus View Post
    Check out Tak's Caster Tank the Tukaw build.

    I have one on Ghallanda, and I love it. It is very gear intensive, but what build isn't these days.
    I've actually been looking at that one for a while, and I've seen it in action, but I want to try something thats not cloned all over. Maybe a force specced wiz17/rogue2/fighter1. Being a fan of ghoste's shadowmage I do want to fit in stealth too. I'm just not sure what I should set my stats and feats too. Gear, skills, and AP are easier to figure out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phidius View Post
    Precious' build in my sig is a 34-point 18Wiz/2Rog.
    I will check that out. BTW this is that arasaka guy that keeps asking stryde if he's high enough to do dq again lol
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    I would suggest
    Phidius's build.
    Tukaw build
    Texas hold emhttp://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=3053795
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    Exclamation Splash?

    Quote Originally Posted by Havok.cry View Post
    I think I would prefer the caster split rather than the melee split. I want to avoid losing that casting also so I don't really want barb,.
    The Barb is really a single level splash for Fast Movement & Sprint Boost, and possibly Martial Weapons. The Rage is simply an additional unused ability

    Wizard I imagine? Or Sorc?
    How much splash? Wiz can get by with 17, but some prefer 18+ for PrE3s…

    Next question is Evasion? Rog2 or Monk2 are required for that.
    Martial Proficiency? Ftr, Pal, Barb or Rng for that.

    Rog2
    Ftr2
    Monk2/Rog1
    Rog2/Ftr1
    Rog2/Barb1
    Ftr2/Barb1
    Monk2/Ftr1

    Are all possibilities
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horkrux View Post
    I would suggest
    Phidius's build.
    Tukaw build
    Texas hold emhttp://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=3053795
    Ok I've checked out all 3 of these, and honestly I want to throw them all into the stone of change to combine into my build. I "want" high enchantment DCs, melee, evasion, trapping, but cant decide wheather I want PM to be the toughest nut to crack, or AM for the force SLAs... leaning towards PM as that would open racial options to other than WF, but requires feats I don't want.

    So far Im thinking:
    12w/2r/1f
    7 normal feats
    Toughness
    Inciteful reflexes
    maximize
    Past life wizard
    GSF:enchant/necro
    spell pen
    g spell pen
    4 wizard feats
    SF:enchant/necro
    extend
    heighten
    quicken
    1 fighter feat
    Something (PA)

    Still not sure on stats.
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    About to go out, so wont be able to check the thread for a few hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jahmin View Post
    The Barb is really a single level splash for Fast Movement & Sprint Boost, and possibly Martial Weapons. The Rage is simply an additional unused ability

    Wizard I imagine? Or Sorc?
    How much splash? Wiz can get by with 17, but some prefer 18+ for PrE3s…

    Next question is Evasion? Rog2 or Monk2 are required for that.
    Martial Proficiency? Ftr, Pal, Barb or Rng for that.

    Rog2
    Ftr2
    Monk2/Rog1
    Rog2/Ftr1
    Rog2/Barb1
    Ftr2/Barb1
    Monk2/Ftr1

    Are all possibilities
    ok thanks for clarifying the barb level
    Definitely picking the rog2/ftr1 combo, evasion and martial proficiencies
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    Exclamation Possibility

    Sure – something like this, using Elf for Falchion and Elven Arcanum. WF is obviously another option.
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    Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male 
(1 Fighter / 2 Rogue / 17 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 212 
Spell Points: 1284 

BAB: 10/10/15/20 
Fortitude: 9 
Reflex: 17 
Will: 9 

              Starting      Ending     Feat/Enhancement 
Abilities    Base Stats   Base Stats    Modified Stats 
(34 Point)    (Level 1)    (Level 20)      (Level 20) 
Strength           16             18                18 
Dexterity          10             10                10 
Constitution       13             15                15 
Intelligence       18             25                28 
Wisdom              8              8                 8 
Charisma            8              8                 8 

Tomes Used 
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3 
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 
 
              Starting      Ending    Feat/Enhancement 
             Base Skills  Base Skills  Modified Skills 
Skills       (Level 1)    (Level 20)      (Level 20) 
Balance            4              11               11 
Bluff              3              3                3 
Concentration      3              25               25 
Diplomacy          3              3                3 
Disable Device     8              32               32 
Haggle             -1             -1               -1 
Heal               -1             -1               -1 
Hide               4              4                4 
Intimidate         -1             -1               -1 
Jump               7              10               10 
Listen             -1             -1               1 
Move Silently      4              4                4 
Open Lock          4              4                4 
Perform            n/a            n/a              n/a 
Repair             4              9                9 
Search             8              32               34 
Spot               -1             -1               1 
Swim               3              4                4 
Tumble             4              4                4 
Use Magic Device   3              22               22 
 
Level 1 (Rogue) 
Skill: Balance (+4) 
Skill: Bluff (+4) 
Skill: Concentration (+2) 
Skill: Diplomacy (+4) 
Skill: Disable Device (+4) 
Skill: Hide (+4) 
Skill: Jump (+4) 
Skill: Move Silently (+4) 
Skill: Open Lock (+4) 
Skill: Search (+4) 
Skill: Tumble (+4) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) 
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness 
 
Level 2 (Fighter) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack 
 
Level 3 (Wizard) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell 
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Arcane Initiate 
 
Level 4 (Wizard) 
Ability Raise: INT 
Skill: Concentration (+5) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 

Level 5 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+2) 
 
Level 6 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes 
 
Level 7 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy 
 
Level 8 (Rogue) 
Ability Raise: INT 
Skill: Balance (+7) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+2) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3) 
 
Level 9 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+2) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy 
 
Level 10 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
 
Level 11 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
 
Level 12 (Wizard) 
Ability Raise: INT 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration 
 
Level 13 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell 
 
Level 14 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
 
Level 15 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell 
 
Level 16 (Wizard) 
Ability Raise: INT 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
 
Level 17 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
 
Level 18 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration 
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Heighten Spell 
 
Level 19 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
 
Level 20 (Wizard) 
Ability Raise: INT 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I 
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boostt I 
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I 
Enhancement: Elven Arcanum I 
Enhancement: Elven Arcanum II 
Enhancement: Elven Arcanum III 
Enhancement: Elven Arcanum IV 
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack I 
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack II 
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage I 
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage II 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II 
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I 
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I 
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting I 
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting II 
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting III 
Enhancement: Charged Spellcasting I 
Enhancement: Charged Spellcasting II 
Enhancement: Charged Spellcasting III 
Enhancement: Charged Spellcasting IV 
Enhancement: Deadly Ice I 
Enhancement: Deadly Ice II 
Enhancement: Deadly Ice III 
Enhancement: Deadly Shocks I 
Enhancement: Deadly Shocks II 
Enhancement: Deadly Shocks III 
Enhancement: Deadly Shocks IV 
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation I 
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation II 
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation III 
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation IV 
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation V 
Enhancement: Storm Manipulation I 
Enhancement: Storm Manipulation II 
Enhancement: Storm Manipulation III 
Enhancement: Storm Manipulation IV 
Enhancement: Storm Manipulation V 
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration I 
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I 
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II 
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I 
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II 
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence III 
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I 
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery I 
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master I 
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master II 
Enhancement: Shroud of the Vampire
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    That looks nice, thanks for it, I will try it out.
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    Exclamation Enjoy!

    Sure, no prob – glad to help!

    There will be extra Skill Points at the later levels you can put wherever and you can obviously tweak the stats if you prefer CON or STR for example. Have fun – cheers!

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