Let the Raid Loot Greed begin!!

[testing1234]

actually laughed out loud 3 times from reading this thread, bit worried about what this said about my humor and world view.

[Asketes]

first is was the ML mess up
now it's the raidloot mess up

fail crafting fails more now

[kernal42]

2. Every piece of raid loot will now be contested by anyone that crafts....if anyone feels like crafting after this change.

Don't be hysterical.

There are only two pieces of raid loot that can be used in crafting:
(1) Dreamspitter, used for GLOB.
(2) Chattering Ring, used for Greater Halfling Bane (hint: nobody will ever craft this).

Suggesting that "every piece of raid loot will ... be contested by anyone that crafts" is blatantly absurd.

There are also the +3 tomes that nobody should ever use for the dragonshards, simply because epic tokens and +1 tomes are a far more economical source for these purified dragonshards. It's obviously preferable that the option be removed, but just because it is there doesn't mean everyone's going to crunch any +3 tome they see.

Seriously. Try to think about this rationally before calling DooOOoo00omoom.

-Kernal

[landona54]

Don't be hysterical.

There are only two pieces of raid loot that can be used in crafting:
(1) Dreamspitter, used for GLOB.
(2) Chattering Ring, used for Greater Halfling Bane (hint: nobody will ever craft this).

Suggesting that "every piece of raid loot will ... be contested by anyone that crafts" is blatantly absurd.

There are also the +3 tomes that nobody should ever use for the dragonshards, simply because epic tokens and +1 tomes are a far more economical source for these purified dragonshards. It's obviously preferable that the option be removed, but just because it is there doesn't mean everyone's going to crunch any +3 tome they see.

Seriously. Try to think about this rationally before calling DooOOoo00omoom.

-Kernal

I am sorry I forgot such items as chaosblades are now random generated chest loot ...not raid loot. Serious? Try to look into something before responding.

[rest]

Don't be hysterical.

There are only two pieces of raid loot that can be used in crafting:
(1) Dreamspitter, used for GLOB.
(2) Chattering Ring, used for Greater Halfling Bane (hint: nobody will ever craft this).

Suggesting that "every piece of raid loot will ... be contested by anyone that crafts" is blatantly absurd.

There are also the +3 tomes that nobody should ever use for the dragonshards, simply because epic tokens and +1 tomes are a far more economical source for these purified dragonshards. It's obviously preferable that the option be removed, but just because it is there doesn't mean everyone's going to crunch any +3 tome they see.

Seriously. Try to think about this rationally before calling DooOOoo00omoom.

-Kernal

I'll just leave this here.

I went and looked at the recipes, and while Chattering Ring stands out as the most outrageous, there are a bunch.

Tome of Legend's weapons Twinblade and Coronation
Sovereign Rune of Smiting.
5 Blood of Dragons for a single greater dragon bane
Chaosblade!
Spectral Gloves
+1-+3 tomes? Well, guess I won't be giving those away anymore.

[Vengeance777]

Chaosblade has been added to raid loot required for crafting Vampirism.

Ugh and now they are requiring Tome page turnin weapons from Necro 4 for crafting. Twinblade (Tome Page Turn-ins) for Greater Goblinoid Bane
Coronation (Tome Page Turn-ins) AND Boneshard Flute for Greater Undead Bane

It just boggles the mind.

[Kalari]

Yep just confirmed on Lama the first 75 only showed the chattering ring and dream spitter the recipes to 100 get more interesting to say the least.

Who in their right mind would turn raid loot into a shard is beyond me but good luck with this Turbine crazier business approaches have been attempted before by other companies.

[simo0208]

Chaosblade has been added to raid loot required for crafting Vampirism.

Ugh and now they are requiring Tome page turnin weapons from Necro 4 for crafting. Twinblade (Tome Page Turn-ins) for Greater Goblinoid Bane
Coronation (Tome Page Turn-ins) AND Boneshard Flute for Greater Undead Bane

It just boggles the mind.

The crazy thing is that they COULD have used the staff of shadow for vampirism instead, but intentionally chose chaos blades instead. To say that this system was "intentional" as one dev said, is hilarious.

[simo0208]

Yep just confirmed on Lama the first 75 only showed the chattering ring and dream spitter the recipes to 100 get more interesting to say the least.

Who in their right mind would turn raid loot into a shard is beyond me but good luck with this Turbine crazier business approaches have been attempted before by other companies.

Companies that no longer exist...

[lethargos]

Can you level up in crafting in the upper levels now without using thousands
of tomes and LDS ?

Anyways this is ********.

[BOgre]

I'm glad that instead of fixing bugs or designing new content, turbine has instead decided on a big ol FAK YOU to anyone who invested time or I dare say Turbine points into this POS system.
On that note, I'm also glad I didn't invest in crafting.

Interesting. I was just debating with myself whether or not to give up on crafting. Now it looks like the decision's been taken out of my hands. I almost feel stupid for buying that point pack and spending it on the adventure packs I was missing, seeing as how they just took my $$$ and wiped their arses with it.

[Cetus]

Hey turbine, congrats on spending months of programming and developing on a system that won't get touched with a 10 foot pole.

You honestly think this was a good idea? Where was the consultation with the player base, kinda like what genasi was doing as far as his item review- now that was beautfiul. This is just a slap across the face.

[Thrudh]

Only 5? How are you so blind to the ramifications of introducing even ****1**** raid item as a craftable ingredeint at this point in time

Exactly!

[Kalari]

And its not just the raid item that blood of dragons is something you basically will have to buy from the ddo store unless your lucky like me and have over 20 alts and even then many will have to re run GH favor via TR to get a free blood of dragon (not sure how well or if these even drop in chest) but they are guaranteed in the ddo store..

Slippery slope is too light a term to put to this steep jagged edged slope to a path we shouldnt tread...

[kernal42]

Only 5? How are you so blind to the ramifications of introducing even ****1**** raid item as a craftable ingredeint at this point in time, let alone 5? Our crafting level isn't even halfof what the expansion will lead up to as commented by a developer a couple weeks ago. If a chaosblade is needed to receive a high end shard today, well hell, throw in an epic marilith chain when the crafting level is 150 to make a smiter or something. This is going to get out of control really quick if this goes through.

Actually, I never said I thought raid loot was a good idea (in fact I agree it's terrible), I just wanted certain persons to tone down the hysteria. For example, the claim the "every piece of raid loot" will be nabbed for crafting. It's an absurd accusation and simply false.

Furthermore, if you were to read a little bit before posting (recommended by an earlier poster, I believe), you would find that any inclusion of raid loot was a mistake and an oversight, and will be changed. See:

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=155

Cheers,
Kernal

[voodoogroves]

Actually I can't remember the last time I pugged a raid.

DDO release 10.1 ... the end to non-guild social gaming.

[kernal42]

And its not just the raid item that blood of dragons is something you basically will have to buy from the ddo store unless your lucky like me and have over 20 alts and even then many will have to re run GH favor via TR to get a free blood of dragon (not sure how well or if these even drop in chest) but they are guaranteed in the ddo store..

Slippery slope is too light a term to put to this steep jagged edged slope to a path we shouldnt tread...

Blood of dragons drops like candy in eVoN6. Unfortunately, I believe it's BTC. No BTC loot should be required to craft BTA shards.

-Kernal

[gloopygloop]

or a greater halfling bane needing a chattering ring.

This one was actually kind of funny. I don't mind that requirement since no one is going to craft a Greater Halfling Bane anyway.

[Kalari]

Blood of dragons drops like candy in eVoN6. Unfortunately, I believe it's BTC. No BTC loot should be required to craft BTA shards.

-Kernal

I must not be lucky never had them drop in my runs of that epic seriously though you said what I think many of us are thinking.

I thought I read when this system was introduced that it was for the more casual players. So casuals are now doing Epic vons 6? I did not know that, heck some casuals aren't even doing a reaver raid for dream spitters.

This system is going to be one of the most flawed introductions to come. I doubt it will be the death of the game as some are claiming but it seems like a waste of time and man hours to put in something that no one who can utilize will.

I would never even use a junk named raid item for a chance at a shard of a bane I wont need since I use greensteel/Epic weapons.. when you put it this way the absurdity of these new recipes speak in volumes.

[Thrudh]

One you put ONE raid loot item in you open the door to the reality that more will be added later. That means people will start stockpiling spare raid items they can't use because one day they might be very valuable. Kind of like people collected collectables for years because we were told they MIGHT get used for crafting one day (yes I know, that's before you joined the game)

Yep, as soon as silver flame hymnals, and glittering dust, etc. became useful, I started saving ALL my collectibles.

For years.

Because I knew someday they would be used.

And I was right.