10.1 crafting changes

[Stanley_Nicholas]

I don't have access to Llama right now. Has anybody checked to see yet which shards will no longer be available in unbound form, and which ones have had their ingredient costs changed (and by how much)? The release notes sound very ominous - as if the high level shards didn't cost enough already.

Also, any word on the price for one of the new dragonshard crafting items that you have to buy from the vendors, and what they're used for?

[MaxwellEdison]

I don't have access to Llama right now. Has anybody checked to see yet which shards will no longer be available in unbound form, and which ones have had their ingredient costs changed (and by how much)? The release notes sound very ominous - as if the high level shards didn't cost enough already.

I'm actually thinking the price increase will be a result of the change in how essences are generated in loot lists. Sounds like it will both 'undilute' them, increasing the chance for items, and also increase the number of essences. Thats my hope anyway.

[badbob117]

Also, any word on the price for one of the new dragonshard crafting items that you have to buy from the vendors, and what they're used for?

i checked out the price of em from the crafter sales person and transmuter dude.. Did not see what they are used for tho.

Astral diamonds, Tomes and epic tokens,.





I guess the price of +1 tomes will probs quadruple now. Cannot imagine anyone would be crazy enough to use a +3 tome. but who knows. lol.

[Cyr]

i checked out the price of em from the crafter sales person and transmuter dude.. Did not see what they are used for tho.

Astral diamonds, Tomes and epic tokens,.





I guess the price of +1 tomes will probs quadruple now. Cannot imagine anyone would be crazy enough to use a +3 tome. but who knows. lol.

Huh...

If this is the first step in the combining of cannith and epic crafting cool. If it's just a really expensive ingredient for normal higher level prefix/suffix crafting not so much.

[Stanley_Nicholas]

Wow, those things are pricey. At least epic tokens can be used to buy them, which are easy enough to get. I hope the recipes don't call for a lot of purified fragments, or they better be good recipes. Otherwise nobody will ever bother with them.

[dkyle]

Great... now people will be taking +4 tomes just to turn them into Eberron shards...

And Astral Diamonds?

1) no to selling loot in the store
2) aren't they sold in increments of 5? So people will be forced to overbuy them to turn them in 4 at a time? That seems like a remarkably greedy thing to do... assuming that there isn't a 1 at a time turn in.

On the plus side, at least I'll have a use for all those +1 tomes wasting space.

[badbob117]

ouch... Just checked out the price and it just skyrocket for ` recipes.,..

For a greater lawful outsider bane shard we now need a freaking large scale and a Dreamspitter with 15 eberron frags..

Holy geez..

I am to discouraged to look at other recipes atm . Seems they all need named items as well as frags and even shroud ing for certain ones. Took me 20 runs of piking to get my dreamspitter. I am not looking forward to feeding it to crafting machine.

[Hokiewa]

ouch... Just checked out the price and it just skyrocket for ` recipes.,..

For a greater lawful outsider bane shard we now need a freaking large scale and a Dreamspitter with 15 eberron frags..

Holy geez..

I am to discouraged to look at opther recipes atm . Seems they all need named items as well as frags and even shroud ing for certain ones.

Wow. That ends crafting for me.

[t0r012]

ouch... Just checked out the price and it just skyrocket for ` recipes.,..

For a greater lawful outsider bane shard we now need a freaking large scale and a Dreamspitter with 15 eberron frags..

Holy geez..

I am to discouraged to look at other recipes atm . Seems they all need named items as well as frags and even shroud ing for certain ones. Took me 20 runs of piking to get my dreamspitter. I am not looking forward to feeding it to crafting machine.

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! ,

I need to get my acrobat her dreamspitter before this hits live!

[Sarisa]

As if new players didn't have enough of a hard time getting raid loot and tomes as it is. Now you have people taking the loot so they can destroy it in such a manner.

I'm glad I never got involved in this crafting system.

[dkyle]

So they've done nothing about the insane grind to get to high level, and utterly demolished the benefits of getting there?

Well, that's certainly not where I was expecting things to go...


A Dreamspitter? Seriously?

Is that a Demon's Blood for GCOB? As if the price of boots wasn't already a major PITA.

[MaxwellEdison]

Wait...grinding for named loot so I can craft items to let me avoid grinding for named loot?

Well that makes perfect sense, especially since those named items will stack and fit in my ingredients bag.

[Thrudh]

Wait...grinding for named loot so I can craft items to let me avoid grinding for named loot?

This... Devs, can we get an explanation of your thought processes?

[Hokiewa]

The price of +1 strength tomes just shot up...lol...

[badbob117]

Dev's!!!

Do not go through with this patch!!!! You just made crafting way more grindy and almost to much to bear for most players..

Forget about ever rolling on a dreamspitter again folks. I am totally against using raid loot to craft with. If we need to use random raid loot then no one will ever put anything up for roll again. just in case we need it for future crafting.

Very not cool.... Not to mention totally sticking it to new players who may be looking for +1 tomes on ah for cheep. The price will quadruple for +1 tomes. This may detour the newer players a bit.

I honestly thought the grind to craft heavy weps and items was enough. We did not need to make it even more insane for the casual player. I consider myself a player who is beyond casual. I play a lot.. I have crafted my ass off. spent all my plat . ground out items to deconstruct and so on. Yet i am only at around level 62 in all 3 crafting categories. I think this is the wrong way to go about crafting..

Can't say i am to encouraged to go even further into cannith crafting at this point. /shrug

[Draxtor]

Dev's!!!

Do not go through with this patch!!!! You just made crafting way more grindy and almost to much to bear for most players..

Forget about ever rolling on a dreamspitter again folks. I am totally against using raid loot to craft with. If we need to use random raid loot then no one will ever put anything up for roll again. just in case we need it for future crafting.

Very not cool.... Not to mention totally sticking it to new players who may be looking for +1 tomes on ah for cheep. The price will quadruple for +1 tomes. This may detour the newer players a bit.

I honestly thought the grind to craft heavy weps and items was enough. We did not need to make it even more insane for the casual player. I consider myself a player who is beyond casual. I play a lot.. I have crafted my ass off. spent all my plat . ground out items to deconstruct and so on. Yet i am only at around level 62 in all 3 crafting categories. I think this is the wrong way to go about crafting..

Can't say i am to encouraged to go even further into cannith crafting at this point. /shrug

I am in total agreement. It's bad enough that you could be forced with running a raid 40 times to get a +3 Tome, let alone the drop rate for +2 and 1 being low. I've run Tower of Despair on various toons at various difficulties about 40+ times. Ive never received a +3 or 4 on a drop and only seen maybe 3 for others (remember 12 people per raid group) Add in the cost of your time and wasted efforts to get one item from a specific quest only to be faced with people pulling just to craft, rather than placing them for roll.

Dev's where are your minds at. Have you lost what makes this game fun. It is not running something over and over again. It is the spirit of the adventure, teamwork, social networks, imagination and innovation. After playing for almost 2 years, developing TR's, gathering gear, putting up with lag, crashes, reloading and reloading my luster for the game is diminishing. If it is your goal to alienate new players and make items almost impossible to attain then you are on the right path. How many times do we need to run TOR to collect 25 dragon scales of just 1 kind. How many Epic Raids of Vault of Night need to be run to collect 25 Red Dragon Scales? You have the drop rate formula, you figure it out. Then factor in the average persons available time and you will see why the average person/gamer does not have the time, patience or interest to do the same old thing all the time. It's totally boring.

Let's see what you do to keep things interesting and worth the money you want to earn. This is a business and you need to look up from your desks. Look at something too long and you get tunnel vision.

Maybe its time to get up, take a walk, go outside, get some fresh air, relax and revitalize those creative minds that got you this far..

Been around, played alot, spent money and now wondering is it worth it.

[Postumus]

Forget about ever rolling on a dreamspitter again folks. I am totally against using raid loot to craft with. If we need to use random raid loot then no one will ever put anything up for roll again. just in case we need it for future crafting.

On the plus side, this will generate countless threads complaining about how Player X wouldn't put his named loot up for roll because he was going to use it for crafting.

[Cordovan]

If you would like to continue to discuss the changes you are seeing on our Lammania preview server, please do so in a thread we've created for feedback here.

EDIT: My apologies. When I was looking through this thread I thought it was being posted in the Crafting forum, not the Crafting Discussion forum for Lammania. My mistake. I've reopened the thread. Please note we do have an official feedback thread on these changes, which can be found through the link above.

[Lithic]

I don't have access to Llama right now. Has anybody checked to see yet which shards will no longer be available in unbound form, and which ones have had their ingredient costs changed (and by how much)? The release notes sound very ominous - as if the high level shards didn't cost enough already.

Also, any word on the price for one of the new dragonshard crafting items that you have to buy from the vendors, and what they're used for?

Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if they took out the banes and holy since everything else they do to crafting seems bent on destroying unbound crafting as a source of profit.

More likely it's the ultra cheap recipes that got taken out