Feedback - Crafting - Update 10, Patch 1

[cdbd3rd]

hi-lighted in red. wow this makes sense

*begin Beavis & Butthead voice*

hehheh, hehhHEHhehhe....

You said, "wow"

[slothinator]

If you have to make dozens of recipes to level up aren't you going to require dozens of these rare items too? What's the drop rate on raid loot from reaver? Even the silly lightning amulet

Didn't even consider the leveling aspect, as I was just looking at making specific shards. It would depend on if their are enough recipes at higher levels to generate the xp needed for leveling. Having to grind for three Tenebrous Stilletos to move up my crafting level by one sounds like.....well, I can't think of anything that bad.

[darksol23]

Whooops. We clearly were out of line with several of these ingredients. Including items like Dreamspitter and Chattering Ring is an embarrasing error on our part and was in no way intentional.

Our motivation to add these extra ingredients (which was only made to a subset of recipes that concerned us) was to preserve and not devalue the efforts made by players to obtain many of the existing powerful named items in the game.

We will make changes. Unfortunately, they will not be made in time to alter the upcoming patch. As you know, the system is still in beta and we will effect changes as soon as we can.

Our apologies and thanks for the swift, clear feedback.

No way intentional? Can you explain that one a bit more? Did someone at Turbine just goof and plug in the wrong "item numbers" for crafting ingredients? Or did someone spike the coffee pot with everclear? How can something like this pass QA never mind the Mournlands? Using raid gear as crafting ingredients?!?!?! Make the high-end recipes more expensive... Great. I can see that. Make GEOB cost 5 large devil scales and 50 silver flame hymnals, whatever I don't care, you can grind for that... But raid loot? Seriously?

[Delt]

*snickers*

You can't look at that LONG list of planned out recipes and then call it "a mistake". That would be a lie...or a vaguely worded dodge at best. It is clearly intended and, imo, a pretty lame direction for crafting.

Anyway, I'm not into crafting, so I'd like to say "I don't care" -- but since this change effects me even if I AVOID crafting, I guess I have to express my displeasure.

And who in the world is playing on mournlands? Maybe its time to round up another batch of actual players.

[brian14]

More stuff is available:

Greater Ooze Bane: Muckbane
Elec Absorb 33% now level 77: Charged Gauntlets
Fire Absorb 33% also level 77: Scorched Bracers
Greater Vermin Bane: Bracers of Spiderkind
Greater Animal Bane: Rabbit Gloves
Greater Construct Bane: Sovereign Dragontouched Rune of Smiting!!
Greater Dwarf Bane: Golden Greaves
Greater Monstrous Humanoid Bane: Adamantine Sickle (the lordsmarch one)
Greater Elf Bane: Allegiance *and* Coronation
Greater Reptilian Bane: Mantle of the Dragonfriend
Greater Aberration Bane: Nature's Vengeance
Attack Bonus +4: Spectral Gloves. No joke.
Greater Gnoll Bane: Gloves of Gnoll Hide
Greater Orc Bane: Skullsmasher
Greater Goblinoid Bane: Twinblade
Greater Giant Bane: Kelmar's Justice
Greater Human Bane: Bloody Cleaver
Greater Elemental Bane: Theurgic Stave
Greater Undead Bane: Boneshard Flute and Coronation
Greater Evil Outsider Bane: Large Scale and Demon's Blood
Greater Dragon Bane: 1 Flawless Siberys Shard AND *FIVE* Blood of Dragons. Really? Really?
Vampirism: Chaosblade

And all the higher level shards take the new Eberrons.

Bloody Cleaver or Adamantine Sickle I can understand, but Twinblade??

Whoever came up with this list clearly has no clue what players value. I am just glad I invested very little in crafting, as sure as hell I am not investing anything else now!

And yes, even if raid loot is removed from crafting, damage has been done. Now people will hoard it "just in case".

BTW, this is post #326. Out of preceding 325 posts, did even a single person think this is a good idea?

[Thrudh]

Crafting is out for only a couple of months and there already first toons who achieved maximum level and are /potentially/ in a position capable to flood the market with the best (random generated) gear there is

Yeah, this is the problem they are trying to fix...

Just shut down crafting (it's beta after all), and fix it right...

[slimkj]

We will make changes. Unfortunately, they will not be made in time to alter the upcoming patch.

I really don't think it's a good idea to put those recipes onto live if you can't change it in time. I think almost everyone would rather wait on everything else to see this right.

[Vordax]

Other people have posted conspiracy theories before where they say that the devs purposedly release a stupid system on Lamannia, then scale it back to what they really wanted to do, while "pretending" to listen to player feedback...

I always thought those people were nuts...

But now I actually wonder if that is what is happening here. They really just wanted to add Shroud ingrediants (and the Astral Diamonds/epic token/tome thing), and threw in all that raid gear nonsense so they could remove it later and we wouldn't be that upset about the other changes.

They always do it this way, they release something absurd and roll it back a little so people are happy, but they end up with the original changes they wanted.

Vordax
(wearing a tinfoil hat...)

[Asketes]

*begin Beavis & Butthead voice*

hehheh, hehhHEHhehhe....

You said, "wow"

eh hehehe ehehheHEeheh

+1 Rep

[Kourier]

Didn't even consider the leveling aspect, as I was just looking at making specific shards. It would depend on if their are enough recipes at higher levels to generate the xp needed for leveling. Having to grind for three Tenebrous Stilletos to move up my crafting level by one sounds like.....well, I can't think of anything that bad.

Honestly, how many... swords of the giant slave masters, say, do we find anyway? And how many people will want to craft this kind of thing or will have to in order to level up?

And why are there still no recipes which use the mystical quest reward items? As much as I love broccoli, I'm not going to take it over 500 guild renown or a major pot or a +2 tome or even some decent vendor trash WHEN IT ISN'T USED IN ANY RECIPE.

I mean, why not revamp collectable rewards so they're worthwhile and unique and use those in crafting too? You already did that with requiring the sickle for monstrous humanoid bane. Then you need collectables and collectable rewards, but at least those are pretty common and people would be encouraged to pick up the **** purple bags. My pulse is hardly set racing at the state of collectables right now.

[Postumus]

Anyone else remember one of dev stated cannith crafting also designed to help new player while ago?
Saying "crafting would help new players to gearing their character as they level up" or something like that

Well you can still make +3 skill items without raid loot, right?

[Thrudh]

BTW, this is post #326. Out of preceding 325 posts, did even a single person think this is a good idea?

No. I have never seen a 100% disapproval rating before.

[balforofthenis]

Do you have an extra tinfoil hat? I'm about to subscribe to this too.

+1 for making me lol! But in all seriousness, dooooooooom!!1one!

[eunucorn]

This is ridiculous and makes me look like an Idiot for ever believing in them.

QFT. +1 to you sir.

[rest]

BTW, this is post #326. Out of preceding 325 posts, did even a single person think this is a good idea?

More posts than that. And no. No one thought this was a good idea. Except maybe MadFloyd.

[Cyr]

No. I have never seen a 100% disapproval rating before.

It also should be noted that the post count is far lower then it should be. It is clear that a subject of this level of negative feedback would have more then a few posts that the mods would simply delete.

[incineration]

No. I have never seen a 100% disapproval rating before.

what about when they came up with the "kick some axe" idea?

[Cordovan]

This is probably going to get lost in the noise, but if a dev is still reading...

There is a bug in deconstruction. Every time you deconstruct an item, you have to close the entire window and reopen it. I don't know about shards as I haven't tested those yet.

Is this the place to put bugs like this or is there somewhere else to post them?

Yes, please consider filling out a bug report on this. You can do that in-game, or on the forums here.

[Cyr]

More posts than that. And no. No one thought this was a good idea. Except maybe MadFloyd.

I'm pretty sure Eladrin would have to approve something like this before it made it in also.

[rest]

No. I have never seen a 100% disapproval rating before.

Offer wall? Or were there some fools who thought it was OK? I forget because they trash canned that whole thread.