Feedback - Crafting - Update 10, Patch 1

[rimble]

Whooops. We clearly were out of line with several of these ingredients. Including items like Dreamspitter and Chattering Ring is an embarrasing error on our part and was in no way intentional.

Our motivation to add these extra ingredients (which was only made to a subset of recipes that concerned us) was to preserve and not devalue the efforts made by players to obtain many of the existing powerful named items in the game.

We will make changes. Unfortunately, they will not be made in time to alter the upcoming patch. As you know, the system is still in beta and we will effect changes as soon as we can.

Our apologies and thanks for the swift, clear feedback.

Sucks that it will be in place for a while, but such goes the software deployment cycle. It's still a little embarrassing this even made it past a whiteboarding/brainstorming session.

[Zzevel]

No.

No.

Hell no.

Also, no.

Really? Who thought this was a great idea?

Good job killing crafting, guys.

I'll edit this to provide a more "Constructive" version after I take some time to cool off.

^^^^^^ What he said.. Really? what kinda smoke party yopu having at the HQ?

[Iwinbyrollup]

Changing the drop rate won't fix a darn thing. It will just break the economy and as people have said create hording of named items. This proposed system is horrible and only a complete removal of these latest changes will result in a positive outcome for the players.

It will create a mess, I agree, but if they do decide to go forward with anything like this minimizing the damage is better than nothing.

[darkrhavyn]

Whooops. We clearly were out of line with several of these ingredients. Including items like Dreamspitter and Chattering Ring is an embarrasing error on our part and was in no way intentional.

Our motivation to add these extra ingredients (which was only made to a subset of recipes that concerned us) was to preserve and not devalue the efforts made by players to obtain many of the existing powerful named items in the game.

We will make changes. Unfortunately, they will not be made in time to alter the upcoming patch. As you know, the system is still in beta and we will effect changes as soon as we can.

Our apologies and thanks for the swift, clear feedback.

Mad thanks for responding...but DONT RELEASE THE PATCH if you cant fix it first. IT WILL KILL CRAFTING WHEN PEOPLE SEE THIS...EVEN IF YOU ARE GOING TO FIX IT.

JUST WAIT ON THE PATCH TILL YOU CAN UPDATE IT CORRECTLY!

[Scraap]

Whooops. We clearly were out of line with several of these ingredients. Including items like Dreamspitter and Chattering Ring is an embarrasing error on our part and was in no way intentional.

Our motivation to add these extra ingredients (which was only made to a subset of recipes that concerned us) was to preserve and not devalue the efforts made by players to obtain many of the existing powerful named items in the game.

We will make changes. Unfortunately, they will not be made in time to alter the upcoming patch. As you know, the system is still in beta and we will effect changes as soon as we can.

Our apologies and thanks for the swift, clear feedback.

Will you please in the future run this kind of thing by us, or perhaps even have one of the forum moderators, (y'know, The guys that take a portion of our cash we pay the company, that explicitly get paid to look at this site all day) hold a conversation on things like this?

It really is getting past the point of "whoops, lets see saw the other way" being an acceptable response.

[Ookami007]

Why is crafting capped at level 75 on Lam? Should be 100.

Because if they showed the level 100 recipes requiring epic SoS's as ingredients... mobs of angry villagers would storm their building with pitchforks and torches...

[Bladedge]

We will make changes. Unfortunately, they will not be made in time to alter the upcoming patch. As you know, the system is still in beta and we will effect changes as soon as we can.

Our apologies and thanks for the swift, clear feedback.

So what is the point of showing us Update 10.1 if it is already lock down and no changes can be made?

[Ironforge_Clan]

Whooops. We clearly were out of line with several of these ingredients. Including items like Dreamspitter and Chattering Ring is an embarrasing error on our part and was in no way intentional.

Our motivation to add these extra ingredients (which was only made to a subset of recipes that concerned us) was to preserve and not devalue the efforts made by players to obtain many of the existing powerful named items in the game.

We will make changes. Unfortunately, they will not be made in time to alter the upcoming patch. As you know, the system is still in beta and we will effect changes as soon as we can.

Our apologies and thanks for the swift, clear feedback.

Thank you for the post. Please next time try asking us before doing something such as this. We could have save you a lot of time and money.

Edit...wow there was more to this post and it didn't take long to get changed. Okay I understand moderators but my request which thankfully wasn't for myself is still justified.

[Monkey_Archer]

Whooops. We clearly were out of line with several of these ingredients. Including items like Dreamspitter and Chattering Ring is an embarrasing error on our part and was in no way intentional.

Our motivation to add these extra ingredients (which was only made to a subset of recipes that concerned us) was to preserve and not devalue the efforts made by players to obtain many of the existing powerful named items in the game.

We will make changes. Unfortunately, they will not be made in time to alter the upcoming patch. As you know, the system is still in beta and we will effect changes as soon as we can.

Our apologies and thanks for the swift, clear feedback.

See.. no need to get upset with the devs... they clearly carried an extra 1, or added an extra 0, or something... chattering ring? no that was supposed to be a ring of diplomacy +1

[BangsLiekWhoa]

Whooops. We clearly were out of line with several of these ingredients. Including items like Dreamspitter and Chattering Ring is an embarrasing error on our part and was in no way intentional.

Our motivation to add these extra ingredients (which was only made to a subset of recipes that concerned us) was to preserve and not devalue the efforts made by players to obtain many of the existing powerful named items in the game.

We will make changes. Unfortunately, they will not be made in time to alter the upcoming patch. As you know, the system is still in beta and we will effect changes as soon as we can.

Our apologies and thanks for the swift, clear feedback.

Thank you MadFloyd. This is good to know at least, but I think I know what everyone in going to do concerning crafting: Craft like mad until the patch then not craft at all until a subsequent update when it is fixed again...

[Ironforge_Clan]

It will create a mess, I agree, but if they do decide to go forward with anything like this minimizing the damage is better than nothing.

I disagree that it will minimize the damages. I think it would just create a whole new set of issues.

[Promethie]

We will make changes. Unfortunately, they will not be made in time to alter the upcoming patch. As you know, the system is still in beta and we will effect changes as soon as we can.

While it is nice to get devs responding to stuff like this, this line makes me wonder what the point of Lamannia is. If something which is called out on by hundreds of players on the first day of Lamannia can't be changed for upcoming patches, why bother even having a place to put the changes on before the actual servers. A system where the developers give a preview of upcoming changes but are unable to change the changes after hearing feedback from players seems pointless.

[somenewnoob]

Then for the love of all that is holy burst, do not roll out this patch!

Yeah.....why don't you guys just NOT roll it out......FIX IT.....THEN ROLL IT OUT?

Right?

[BangsLiekWhoa]

While it is nice to get devs responding to stuff like this, this line makes me wonder what the point of Lamannia is. If something which is called out on by hundreds of players on the first day of Lamannia can't be changed for upcoming patches, why bother even having a place to put the changes on before the actual servers. A system where the developers give a preview of upcoming changes but are unable to change the changes after hearing feedback from players seems pointless.

Yeah, I was thinking basically the same thing.

[mindlessdrone1991]

Whooops. We clearly were out of line with several of these ingredients. Including items like Dreamspitter and Chattering Ring is an embarrasing error on our part and was in no way intentional.

Our motivation to add these extra ingredients (which was only made to a subset of recipes that concerned us) was to preserve and not devalue the efforts made by players to obtain many of the existing powerful named items in the game.

We will make changes. Unfortunately, they will not be made in time to alter the upcoming patch. As you know, the system is still in beta and we will effect changes as soon as we can.

Our apologies and thanks for the swift, clear feedback.

Thank you.

I'll be interested in seeing how this all pans out. For now, I don't think I'll be putting any time into crafting. It's a shame, since the ingredients bag change was something I was looking forward to....

[Memnir]

Unfortunately, they will not be made in time to alter the upcoming patch.

Then delay, restructure, or cancel the patch.

Delay it if you can take the time to rework this crafting snafu before it hits the Live servers.

Rework the patch to selectively scalpel out this crafting snafu, and allow the rest to go Live.

-or-

Cancel the patch if neither of the above can be done.

But, I think it's time that somebody on the Dev team stands up for the Players and says **** the timetables - this needs to be fixed before it goes Live. Not fixed after.

[WangChi]

Whooops. We clearly were out of line with several of these ingredients. Including items like Dreamspitter and Chattering Ring is an embarrasing error on our part and was in no way intentional.

Our motivation to add these extra ingredients (which was only made to a subset of recipes that concerned us) was to preserve and not devalue the efforts made by players to obtain many of the existing powerful named items in the game.

We will make changes. Unfortunately, they will not be made in time to alter the upcoming patch. As you know, the system is still in beta and we will effect changes as soon as we can.

Our apologies and thanks for the swift, clear feedback.

+1 to you MadFloyd - my only question is - how did this get past you all in the first place?

[Gkar]

One of the dumbest moves Turbine has ever made...

Now that you have established that raid loot items will be used in crafting, and we never know what existing named and raid loot items will be turned into important crafting componants later, everyone is stupid not to take every piece of named and raid loot for themselves and keep it - just in case.

One of the best aspects of this game is the /roll for loot standard mechanic used in almost every raid where people freely give stuff away - and Turbine just killed that.

Sorry, I need that chattering ring for crafting.

Sorry, I don't have a Tharnes in storage yet just in case they turn it into a good crafting item later.

Then there is the fact that you have BtC items required to do crafting... and most people are crafting on only 1 character (pretty much forced that way by the horrible grind of the system). So now you have to run your crafter through raids to grind for crafting ingredients? Really?

Yeah...really dumb...on so many levels. Really makes you wonder if the dev who designed this plays the game.

[404error]

I have adjusted the crafting level to where it will be when the patch goes live. Sorry about the delay I was distracted by Mournlands.

[rimble]

Yeah, I was thinking basically the same thing.

It's really just to make sure the software still runs. That there are no truly showstopping problems.