CC in epic

[Dehemir]

Hi all,

Got my first bard to level 20, I would like to know what is the role of the bard in epic quest and what CC (spells and/or songs) should I use?

My bard is a pure Warchanter without any special gear yet, still working on that.

thanks for your help.

[sweez]

In evon6 you'll fascinate trash on bases (maybe renders in Deeps, although if you have a caster in the group it's prolly better to just wail them), in all other epics just buff the **** out of everybody and beat mobs up.

[RTN]

For a pure warchanter, assuming you put most of your points into STR and CON, you will really only have Fascinate for good CC (Otto's Irresistible Dance can work, but you'll have a hard time cutting through any mob Spell Resistance).

If you want to do lots of CC, you'll need to do one of the other PrE and sell out for max CHA and often feats related to CC (Spell Pen, Enchantment focus, etc.--TRing through Bard and Wiz past lifes can really help).

[BangsLiekWhoa]

Yep. Just what he (sweez) said. Irresistible dance used to be really pretty useful until they nerfed the junk out of it a little while back.

[Sarisa]

In a cooperative group, Fascinate can work wonders on reducing the threat of huge swarms, especially Drow which many casters have trouble dealing with.

Otto's Irresistible Dance is also great to carry, and is best used on non-Drow casters and elementals.

The aforementioned VoN6 bases and Into the Deep final fight can also make great use of Fascinate.

The power boost of casters has reduced Bard CC's versatility (especially for a low CHA Warchanter), but you will still find a spot in most smart groups. Added to-hit and damage, along with easing the buff load on the caster(s), makes you valuable for a run.

[FastTaco]

Yep. Just what he (sweez) said. Irresistible dance used to be really pretty useful until they nerfed the junk out of it a little while back.

No, It's still extremely useful. I use it all the time on my pure warchanter in epics. With 27 spell pen I can reliably dance abishai or devils in eChrono and eDA. I've also solo cc'ed Fathom the depths with just irresistible, and if you have a less then stellar pug wizard it helps out alot.

[BangsLiekWhoa]

It just seems to me that it doesn't last near as long as it did.

[joueur]

[QUOTE=Sarisa;3907088especially Drow which many casters have trouble dealing with.
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My wizard uses Greater Shout to stun them.

[kernal42]

It just seems to me that it doesn't last near as long as it did.

Extend no longer applies.

[Sarisa]

It just seems to me that it doesn't last near as long as it did.

It doesn't work with Extend anymore, that's all. It lasts around 15 seconds or so, which on a caster mob is usually enough time to take it out since most trash mobs had their HP reduced. It's just orange named elementals (like in Small Problem) that might take more than one Otto's to keep under control.

[Aashrym]

Buff, heal, fascinate and OID, melee.

[Dehemir]

thanks all, very helpful tips.