Bard18/Rogue2 - critique pls.

[NovaNZ]

GP build - WC, traps, heals, melee

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Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Female
(2 Rogue \ 18 Bard) 
Hit Points: 282
Spell Points: 549 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 17
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         15                    18
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom               13                    15
Charisma             11                    14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    22
Bluff                 0                     2
Concentration         4                    27
Diplomacy             2                     4
Disable Device        6                    26
Haggle                0                     2
Heal                  1                     2
Hide                  3                     4
Intimidate            0                     6
Jump                  7                    17
Listen                1                     2
Move Silently        -1                     0
Open Lock             3                     4
Perform               n/a                  25
Repair                2                     3
Search                6                    26
Spot                  5                    13
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                1                     2
Use Magic Device      4                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Cleric
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 2 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 4 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II


Level 5 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Improved Cleric Dilettante I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 7 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I


Level 8 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Improved Cleric Dilettante II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 11 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I


Level 13 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II


Level 14 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Improved Cleric Dilettante III


Level 16 (Bard)


Level 17 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III


Level 19 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I


Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery IV

[Valindria]

Why Cleric Dil? By end game you'll be able to UMD things without issue. You could dump Wis and add those points to CHA. I would say Fighter (all martial weapons, +1 str) or Barb (extra con) would be a better choice. Or if you are set on a healer one, you could go with FVS based on CHA. Again the game uses UMD OR Dil for scrolls. So if your UMD gets higher than the Dil, the Dil becomes wasted (feat and skill points).

IMO Human is the best overall as you would get the extra feat and skill points. That would allow you to fit in Extend (I love extend on bards). You could still use Masters Touch to equip the weapons until WC2 (and after but WC2 picking 1 makes it easier). You could pretty much do everything you want as your HElf but be better at it as a human.

[Nephilia]

If u're planning to use a +2 tome u just need to start with 12 int
14 (+ item, ship etc) are more then enough to disable trap
So u can spend that point somewhere else
Another point in cons (suggestion ) should be good

[AcesWylde]

Why would a bard dump Cha??? Wouldn't you do more damage by actually being able to Hold mobs?

I'm considering Tring as a Helf 2~Rogue/18~Bard taking either the Pali dilly for the Cha to saves (up to +5), or the Barb dilly for the Con/toughness enhancement (and extra 50 hp when combined with human Con, and the 3rd tier of human toughness)

and Insightful Reflexes seems like a waste of a feat just for 3 extra points

[NovaNZ]

Good Point re changing WIS to 10 and upping CHA to 14. Taking FvS dil makes sense - realised this about 5 min after I posted the original.

I really like to idea of scrolling Heal at 95% at lvl 15 without all the huha of gearing up for 40+ UMD.

INT for more skills to flesh out rogue capacity. Evasion needs as high save as possible to really make most of evasion = insightful reflex allows some synergy.

Another point into Con at best would leave me with 19 base (modified at lvl 20). I could bump that up to 20 but would have to reduce STR base to 23. I think given the self-healing integrated into this build, going for higher STR is more effective and gives me a better overall performance.
~ Id be interested to hear some good debate re the CON vs STR issue above.~

I will respec AP to choose either great sword or great axe once I get CWII.

Tx - I normally only play dwarf so this race/class combo is a bit newb for me

[karl_k0ch]

For reference, this is what I did: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=255480

I'm not too impressed with his personal DPS performance, but it's an OK build. Unless Warchanter III comes out, I wouldn't roll such a build again. (16/2/2 is way more attractive, imho.)

[Kareena]

My bard16/fighter2/rogue2 has a 40 reflex save at cap... mainly due to paladin dily.


And I'm not sure why you think its hard getting a 40 umd late in game... the most I ever worry about is making sure I cast GH on myself; 40umd on a bard is EASY.

Also... get extend. You are a bard. Bards are about buffs. Get extend.


My 2cp

PS: you dont need insightful reflexes OR quicken imo either.

[leglisse]

i have the same build ur trying to achieve with horc, maybe u would like cheking it out and just change it a bit to fit helf

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=302819