Request - Half-elf rogue 32 pt Khopesh

[Provenance]

I am aware half-elf is probally not the best race for rogues and I am also aware halflings add nice bonus to SA damage (and they are cute), but still I want to test half-elf and try a new rogue. My str-based is gimped and I want to try a new one.

Here goes a few questions I have:

• Which dilettante is the best one for a rogue? Everything seems to push towards barbarian 'cause it provides HP and rage use. I'm not really into wasting 6 points into CHAR so i can take cleric. I know the UMD will be higher but still those points could go in CON or INT.

• Is pure rogue a good choice? I mean, the DPS of a STR-based pure rogue with khopesh is probally the highest in the whole game, but what about it's survivability? And if I splash, which class should I take? (keep in mind that since I'm not DEX-based I'm not gonna reach a decent AC for epics anyway, so I'm not really worried about it)

Some info about what I can provide to this lovely rogue:

• +2 DEX and INT tome, the rest I still need to work on.
• GS equips, not tier 3 yet, but still.
• Monk splashes.
• 32 pt build.

The stats I plan to be those:

STR 16
DEX 15
CON 16
INT 12
CAR 8
WIS 8

Feats
Toughness
Two Weapon Fighting
Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Power Attack
Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Greater Two Weapon Fighting

The khopesh prof doesn't fit in there so i might have to splash fighter.

Thanks in advance,

[Bodic]

And wow your perfect for using rapiers.
Drop OTWF or go Human if you MUST have Khopesh.

As Far as Helf Dilly Barb or Barb or Barb are good choices.
Ftr is good if you want to use more weapons.
Every other Dilly NO stats for them or practical use.

The only reason Halfings go 16 is because that is all the Higher they can go 18 Str is where you want to be. 18/15/14/10/8/8


You dont splash into Rogue it is a heavy endowment or nothing. 1 lvl of splash Kills the capstone(read DPS).

[Battlehawke]

Bodics suggestions are very good. I would use them.

Bodic
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And wow your perfect for using rapiers.
Drop OTWF or go Human if you MUST have Khopesh.

As Far as Helf Dilly Barb or Barb or Barb are good choices.
Ftr is good if you want to use more weapons.
Every other Dilly NO stats for them or practical use.

The only reason Halfings go 16 is because that is all the Higher they can go 18 Str is where you want to be. 18/15/14/10/8/8


You dont splash into Rogue it is a heavy endowment or nothing. 1 lvl of splash Kills the capstone(read DPS).

[Luckness]

As they have said, do not splash fighter. Your best option is to take the -2 attack bonus from dropping Oversized Two Weapon Fighting and picking up khopesh proficiency.

I'd also suggest going 18 Strength / Dexterity 15 / Con 14 / Int 10. You can survive on 23 less skill points and hit points, but that's partly just preference. You could bump up the Con to 15 on a TR and take Greater Human Adaptability: Con. You could also do that right now if you wanted to really skimp on skill points and take 8 INT (not such a bad idea, forces you to think harder about the relative value of each skill).

[unbongwah]

One's a max-STR rogue w/barb dilly for extra HPs:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.9.1
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Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Female
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 292
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 15
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    26
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         14                    18
Intelligence         10                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Barbarian
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Half-Elf Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Half-Elf Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Half-Elf Barbarian Toughness II

The other gives up some DPS for higher AC & extra heal amp from monk dilly:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.9.1
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Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Female
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 16
Will: 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity            15                    18
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         11                    15
Wisdom               13                    14
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Improved Monk Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Monk Dilettante II
Enhancement: Improved Monk Dilettante III
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Half-Elf Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Half-Elf Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Half-Elf Monk Wisdom I

The second build could start with cleric dilly to use divine wands & scrolls, then swap to monk once her UMD is high enough. Can also drop CE for khopesh; don't forget to take IC Slash instead of Pierce in that case.

[Kinerd]

You could combine the Black Lotus with half-elf Barb to have an awful lot of HP and an awful lot of DPS. You can turn OTWF/Khopesh into Quickdraw, and then another Toughness from Monk. Monk attack speed is so ridiculous that you can end up getting ahead of the pure khopesh rogue against 50 fort bosses.