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  1. 07-03-2011, 06:41 AM #1
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    Talking Drow weapon enchancement line worth it?

    I'm thinking of making a Drow TWF pally they seem to be decent and have enough points where I need them. I ran into a road block in the character planner in the form of Drow weapon enchancement line v.s. Khopesh preficiency. My question is which give the higher DPS in the end run for this spec.
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  2. 07-03-2011, 11:55 AM #2
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    It's really close. The question is which do you prefer, spending a feat, or spending 6 AP (with 2-6 more for more tohit if needed)?

    Khopesh do pull ahead the more damage you have per swing, but they're within a couple points of damage average per swing as of 30Str +5 HolyBurst weapons.

    And as a Paladin, the larger crit range of the Rapier means crit smites more often, although they won't be as large as the khopesh can dish out.
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  3. 07-03-2011, 12:03 PM #3
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    Paladins can be AP starved depending on what you're doing with them and they are definitely feat starved. Personally, if I was going drow then I would stick with rapiers and then get a couple of epic Cutthroat's Blades for everything but devils and demons. If you really want to use khopesh then be a human instead.
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  4. 07-03-2011, 12:04 PM #4
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    For my girl, the Rapier line costs a Feat less than the Khopesh line and if you're playing Drow, another Toughness Feat can be useful. If you happen to already have Chaosblades to dual-wield, I'd recommend 20 Paladin. Otherwise, a 2-Monk splash means two extra Feats plus Evasion.
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  5. 07-03-2011, 07:36 PM #5
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    It depends on gear and build. Because Divine Sacrifice only takes critical threat into account, paladins aren't as far behind with rapiers compared to khopeshes as other classes. Smites are an odd case, in that they favor khopeshes for ranks 0-3 of Exalted Smite and break even for rank 4, but they never favor the rapier.

    It won't make a huge difference either way.
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  6. 07-05-2011, 04:39 AM #6
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    Talking

    Thank you all for your advice. It was of great help to me and I will take into account all of your wisdom you have given for this build.
    -Once again thank you for your time.
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  7. 07-05-2011, 05:34 PM #7
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    Short comparison: khopesh > rapier w/drow enhs, but not by much; using up a feat vs using up APs (both are in short supply); vorpals vs Banishers; Hooked Blade vs Turbulent Epee.

    To be honest, I think it's as much about personal preference as anything else; there are pros & cons to either approach. Here are two builds for comparison:

    Rapiers:

    Code:
    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.9.1
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Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Female
(20 Paladin) 
Hit Points: 322
Spell Points: 300 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 16
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    22
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             17                    20

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Paladin Weapons of Good
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack II
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage I
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite IV
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might IV
    This build starts with rapiers to take advantage of drow racial bonuses, then switches to khopeshes after hitting lvl 15.

    Code:
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Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Female
(20 Paladin) 
Hit Points: 332
Spell Points: 300 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 17
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    22
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             17                    22

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons (swap for Slashing after taking khopesh)


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Paladin Weapons of Good
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice III
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite IV
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might IV
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  8. 07-05-2011, 05:57 PM #8
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    My tempest is a drow...I love the extra ooomf I get from the weapon enhancement lines myself.

    Being a Paladin and Drow I would probably just go with SS and Rapiers and spare myself the feat......Paladins need a lot and only get a little to play with as far as feats go....then again the same can be said for their enhancements and you would save 12 points if you went Khopesh.
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  9. 07-05-2011, 06:05 PM #9
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    Drow is the cornerstone of my Ranger/Monk Shuriken Master, aside from all the awesome named shuriken of course.
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  10. 07-06-2011, 12:46 PM #10
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    Talking The build I have been working on.

    I have been working on a Pally TWF build and I thank you for all of your input, which has helped me greatly in this effort. If you have any thoughts on this build please post. What I present to you is a work in progress.


    Code:
    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.09.02
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Garruke 
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(18 Paladin \ 2 Monk) 
Hit Points: 380
Spell Points: 297 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 28
Reflex: 25
Will: 25

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             14                 17                   18
Dexterity            15                 18                   18
Constitution         14                 18                   18
Intelligence          8                 10                   10
Wisdom               10                 12                   12
Charisma             16                 19                   22

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 1

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               3                 14                   14
Bluff                 4                  6                    6
Concentration         3                 20                   20
Diplomacy             4                  6                    6
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                4                  6                    6
Heal                  1                 19                   19
Hide                  3                  4                    4
Intimidate            8                 27                   27
Jump                  3                  4                    4
Listen                1                  1                    1
Move Silently         3                  4                    4
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                  0                    0
Search                0                  0                    0
Spot                  1                  1                    1
Swim                  3                  4                    4
Tumble                n/a               n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a               n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion I


Level 2 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CHA
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I


Level 5 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion II


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I


Level 7 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: DEX
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III


Level 10 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II


Level 11 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Lightning Reflexes
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II


Level 12 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II


Level 13 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I


Level 14 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CON
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III


Level 17 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Paladin Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might III


Level 19 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CON
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite IV

    Questions:
    1) Should I been taking Divine Righteousness over putting in ranks in Intimidate or just have them both?
    2) Does vampirism on a weapon gain benefit from Human Improved Recovery?
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  11. 07-06-2011, 01:04 PM #11
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    1) if you want to be a tank, both is probably better future-proofing (you can get the +threat from intimidating, but not the full "grab aggro", even with low skill... you may not have high skill now, but you could get the gear eventually so it may be useful). it looks suspiciously like you're taking some skill points in heal; this is a terrible idea. put them someplace more useful instead. UMD would actually be my suggestion.

    2) yes. sort of. you'll need more than just human improved recovery, because 30% of 3 (the max from vampirism) will get rounded down to 0. but, if you have a few other sources of healing amp as well, you will benefit.
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  12. 07-06-2011, 01:11 PM #12
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    Probably one of the few good things about Drow is that they use so little AP for racial enhancements. Plenty of AP for class enhancements!

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