Ice Savant Gearout

[stille_nacht]

how is this? what can i improve? currently i am planning on:

head- epic helm of frost
Necklace- torc of raiyum de II
trinket- Pale Lavendar ioun stone/ Xachosian Eardweller/ Litany of the Dead
Goggles- Greensteel Mineral II SP goggles.
bracers- Concordant Opposition HP Bracers
Boots- Anchoring/ Epic Boots of Corrosion
Cloak- Epic envenomed cloak, slotted Toughness
Gloves- Gloves of Glacier/ vile blasphemy
belt- Telvi's Sash
Ring1- Telvi's Ring, +2 exc cha slotted
Ring2- Band of Siberys, +2 exc con slotted.
Body- Epic diabolist robe/ regalia of the phoenix
Staff- Skiver/Epic Ornamented Dagger, Staff of the Petitioner

[altrocks]

No belt? Your pants will fall down.

[stille_nacht]

No belt? Your pants will fall down.

oops :P

[Ridag]

how is this? what can i improve? currently i am planning on:

head- epic helm of frost
Necklace- torc of raiyum de II
trinket- Pale Lavendar ioun stone/ Xachosian Eardweller/ Litany of the Dead
Goggles- Greensteel Mineral II SP goggles.
bracers- Concordant Opposition HP Bracers
Boots- Anchoring/ Striding 30%
Cloak- Epic envenomed cloak, slotted Toughness
Gloves- Epic Charged gauntlets/ vile blasphemy
belt- Telvi's Sash
Ring1- Telvi's Ring, +2 exc cha slotted
Ring2- Band of Siberys, +2 exc con slotted.

It looks fine to me. You might want to consider the (coming soon) new Epic Ring of Elemental Essence instead of Siberys. Yeah you lose out on the +2 exceptional con but you can slot the +1 exceptional charisma in your helm of frost. 60% damage to cold/electric/fire with archmagi is a strong item for the ring slot, if they ever get the Mindfury Symbiont to drop properly you could have a setup where your hands are free to use the Epic Staff of Arcane Power and still have your elemental damage increase.

[Shade]

It looks fine to me. You might want to consider the (coming soon) new Epic Ring of Elemental Essence instead of Siberys. Yeah you lose out on the +2 exceptional con but you can slot the +1 exceptional charisma in your helm of frost. 60% damage to cold/electric/fire with archmagi is a strong item for the ring slot, if they ever get the Mindfury Symbiont to drop properly you could have a setup where your hands are free to use the Epic Staff of Arcane Power and still have your elemental damage increase.

60% damage is pretty weak.
He's already got the telvi sash in there, thats +75%.

Your missing a robe.. or docent if youa toaster. Thats important to consider too.

I got stuff for my upcoming cold savant, including most parts of the abishai sets.. So kinda considering this too.

I hate using the telvi set tho for such a minor bonus, givne how **** the ring/belt is by itself. Kinda wanna use my epic lionheaded belt, but i want max dmg.. Only thing im really torn on.

Wish theyd do away with the stupid +MCL thing and just drop the caps on high lvl spells.

2 item slots devoted to crappy gear mainly in the name of a single spell is a very hard sell to me. (since others are otherwise bugged or not getting much from the increase)

Good note of the mindfury thinger, didnt think of that.. I do have that epic staff id like to make use of too.. But the more I think about, the more I think the ornamented dagger is too good to pass up. If anything, i'd still be missing its +15 concentration bonus and 3 other +.50 crit multipliers.. (id be going ice + acid at least.. so id need one for acid somewhere)

gloves, id probably use glacial for the big SP cost reductions.. and go for boots of corrosion instead for the triple abishai set.

Triknet, no littany, so probalby use my T3 spyglass for umd, and maybe add +2 goodluck on there to bring me to +5 umd.. About what I need for 40+ since im human.

[Ridag]

60% is pretty nice for the times where you aren't running clickies, though it would be better used by a a cold/electric Sorc of either Savant.

I envision for a boss fight you could swap swap in the symbiont for greater arcane lore, have the cold/electric belt clickies running, Epic Staff of Arcane Power and 3 piece Greater Abishai set to max out your Polar Ray & Chain Lighting.

If you still wanted a Superior Potency VI item you could swap in one of the Bard ToD necklaces for such instances.

Losing concentration on the Ornamented Dagger is not so bad if your Greensteel HP item is tempered and has +3 exceptional con skills for +13 concentration.

It would be a situational gear out yes, but quite effective I believe.

[Isharah]

... and go for boots of corrosion instead for the triple abishai set.

This.

With your set-up, you are swapping your only enchantment item with your litany, thus netting you a +1 item contribution to enchantment DCs. So sucks if you don't have greater ench focus on another item.

Also, with an abishai set and telvi's set, you can make do with the nub robe from the new quest chain that gives lesser evocation augmentation ix. (20base+3abishai+6savant+1nub item = 30)

Weapons-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
damage: level 16 tier3 ornamented dagger if you're ice/air/i-forgot. or skiver. or major acid lore club.
CC: epic staff of inner sight OR that new nub scepter from the harbinger of madness chain (greater illusion and ench focus, penalty to concentration) and that other nub scepter from the lordsmarch plaza thingy (greater transmutation focus)
survival: various elemental absorption tier 3 gs shurikens! .......... and a GREATER POTENCY VI GREATSWORD

[Shade]

Losing concentration on the Ornamented Dagger is not so bad if your Greensteel HP item is tempered and has +3 exceptional con skills for +13 concentration.

I do actually.. But it's still a loss of 5 concentration. Significant in some elite quests.. Tho yea kinda fail concenration either way in epics since mobs hit for 100 and max i can get is around low 70s =/ Wish they would give us some huge bonuses like +30 epic concentration to have a way to contend with that type of damage or something.. Sure theres quicken, but that doesnt interest me Since quicken just doesn't work on heal scrolls and i dont care much if other stuff fails.

Potentcy or other weak static boosts i dont care at all about except maybe disintegrate.. I don't play without clickies running, no one serious about endgame/epic nuking should ever. Leave that junk to the casual players imo. Even a 15% loss is far too significant when your nuking 2-3k+ hp mobs.

With just the basic belts alone you get 9 minutes per shrine, if thats not enough for you, your either not casting often enough, or you drank way too many mana pots. Plus you can craft up to VII now i think for as much clicks as you want, which covers everything besides polar ray.

[Ridag]

Potentcy or other weak static boosts i dont care at all about except maybe disintegrate.. I don't play without clickies running, no one serious about endgame/epic nuking should ever. Leave that junk to the casual players imo. Even a 15% loss is far too significant when your nuking 2-3k+ hp mobs.

It depends on what spells you are using really, on lower range spells the difference between Superior Potency and a clickie is minimal.

Heck even on a CL 25 Otiluke's the difference between Superior Potency VI and Superior Freeze VIII is ~80 damage on non-crits and ~230 on crits.

If you had Epic Glaciation VI the gap gets even narrower at ~50 damage on non-crit and ~140 on crits.

If you're primarily using Ice Storm and Water SLAs then the clickies make such a small difference as to not even need them running.

If you're casting Polar Ray a lot then obviously having a clickie running is the best option as it has the highest damage margins.

With just the basic belts alone you get 9 minutes per shrine, if thats not enough for you, your either not casting often enough, or you drank way too many mana pots. Plus you can craft up to VII now i think for as much clicks as you want, which covers everything besides polar ray.

This is true for most of the Epic Content, but not all. Epic Chains comes to mind...

As you yourself pointed out in all the "nerf Savant DPS" threads, no one is perfect at keeping clickies running and maintain a perfect spell rotation. There will be times that you're in the heat of battle and a clickie runs out and in those situations having Superior Potency (or the coming soon new Epic Ring of Elemental Essence) as a backup is the smart thing to do.

[stille_nacht]

i have a staff of the petitioner, which will be equipped when i go CC/damage hybrid, while skiver/epic ornamented will be equipped when i go "yaynuke"

for body i really only found the regalia and epi diabolist robe useful :/

i am probably just going to have rahkir set equipped till i get a telvi's ring...

added in robe/staffs

good point on the gloves btw, changing it up a little. I just feel a little unhappy that my DPS wont be maxed on horo :[

[Ridag]

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i am probably just going to have rahkir set equipped till i get a telvi's ring...

Managed to get a Telvi's ring last night, it's tempting me to go back to Water but I really don't want to lose my Wind Dance!

[Shade]

[QUOTE=Ridag;3815665]It depends on what spells you are using really, on lower range spells the difference between Superior Potency and a clickie is minimal.

Heck even on a CL 25 Otiluke's the difference between Superior Potency VI and Superior Freeze VIII is ~80 damage on non-crits and ~230 on crits.

80 damage is minimal? Not in my world. 80 damage is omfg thats a lot of damage lost. I run my melee at average of ~200+ damage per swing, and if im missing the single +1 dmg bonus from prayer, I can tell.. and ill let the clr/fvs know it! Sacrifcing 80 dmg on epic is suircide imo, or at least should be if it was at all difficult like it used to be.

As you yourself pointed out in all the "nerf Savant DPS" threads, no one is perfect at keeping clickies running and maintain a perfect spell rotation. There will be times that you're in the heat of battle and a clickie runs out and in those situations having Superior Potency (or the coming soon new Epic Ring of Elemental Essence) as a backup is the smart thing to do.

My posts were not refering to your average player. It's about my expierence, and advice for a OP who actaully is serious enough about his setup that he asks for advice, that alone brings him above 90% of the unwashed masses.

Also, while it's true some might screw up and forget to refresh there clicky, doing the odd poor dmg spell.. Generally the loss will be from 75 to 50%.. Changing that from 50 to 60 is good in theory.. But is it worth a ring slot?
Absolutely not imo. Rings are far too important, especially ToD ones.

His setup is pretty much ideal for rings and what Ive always used too. The extra stats from the rings are far better then what the elemental thing has.

[stille_nacht]

on the ring thing, while it would be pretty nice to have 60% (is it ninth level?), i feel like i am sacrificing a bit for a benefit that wouldnt even be a benefit a good portion of the time (i have telvi clicky, eardweller clicky, and even rahkir clicky to fall back on). So i probably wont bother grinding it out :/

update: TRing into wizard again first, i want more spell pen :], will give me more time to farm ideal gear too, still need epic corrosion, helmet, and ToD rings ;[

[Ridag]

Good luck with the Wizard life, I couldn't do another one of those on my Sorc. It was painful, though I have no problem playing my Wizard, I'm just used to playing certain characters certain ways I guess.

As for the rings, go with what you prefer, in the long run it will make very little difference overall.

[stille_nacht]

Good luck with the Wizard life, I couldn't do another one of those on my Sorc. It was painful, though I have no problem playing my Wizard, I'm just used to playing certain characters certain ways I guess.

As for the rings, go with what you prefer, in the long run it will make very little difference overall.

yeah i figured after i started getting awesomesauce SLAs, i wouldnt want to go back to wizard ;], so ill bank up my 3rd wizzy PL so i can afford to drop spell pne

[Adrenas]

60% damage is pretty weak.
He's already got the telvi sash in there, thats +75%.

Your missing a robe.. or docent if youa toaster. Thats important to consider too.

I got stuff for my upcoming cold savant, including most parts of the abishai sets.. So kinda considering this too.

I hate using the telvi set tho for such a minor bonus, givne how **** the ring/belt is by itself. Kinda wanna use my epic lionheaded belt, but i want max dmg.. Only thing im really torn on.

Wish theyd do away with the stupid +MCL thing and just drop the caps on high lvl spells.

2 item slots devoted to crappy gear mainly in the name of a single spell is a very hard sell to me. (since others are otherwise bugged or not getting much from the increase)

Good note of the mindfury thinger, didnt think of that.. I do have that epic staff id like to make use of too.. But the more I think about, the more I think the ornamented dagger is too good to pass up. If anything, i'd still be missing its +15 concentration bonus and 3 other +.50 crit multipliers.. (id be going ice + acid at least.. so id need one for acid somewhere)

gloves, id probably use glacial for the big SP cost reductions.. and go for boots of corrosion instead for the triple abishai set.

Triknet, no littany, so probalby use my T3 spyglass for umd, and maybe add +2 goodluck on there to bring me to +5 umd.. About what I need for 40+ since im human.

I am going for a very similar setup on my water savant. I'm debating on telvi's touch though, something about that ring just irritates me. The +1 exceptional wisdom bugs me because I hate when items give me something cool that is absolutely useless to my class... and it's a ring obviously meant for a sorc. I'll likely end up wearing it anyway since +2 exceptional cha will be slotted, even though epic helm of frost makes the base charisma on the ring redundant. I just returned to playing the game after a long absence so i'm not up on some of the games intricacies, but it seems like the water savant set bonus is very weak unless it stacks with major ice lore. I'm assuming it doesn't because of the text on major ice lore, but i've seen items with notes like that stack with stuff before. If it doesn't stack then a sorc would be better off with the Rahkir items for archmage set bonus and just slot the +2 exceptional charisma in that ring. It's the same set bonus except that it applies to all spells instead of just cold spells it seems to me, and the belt has archmagi instead of wizardry VI. Please, someone correct me if i'm wrong on that because i'd really like to know for sure myself.

Right now for weapons i'm using belashyrra's sceptre (glaciation version) and belashyrra's sceptre (kinetic/evocation version). I have sceptre of mad trickery and a necromancy focus sceptre weapon set hot keyed for when I find myself needing to attempt some cc or insta-death. Likely going to try to get my hands on skiver too. Epic envenomed cloak, helm of frost, and boots of corrosion for the greater mota bonus. Gloves of the glacier. The rest is still pretty much up in the air for me along with a few spell slots. I wouldn't mind some advice myself. Particularly on the water savant set, spell choices, and robe choice.