32pt. 13 rogue/7 monk Hling *Critique appreciated!*

[quagm1r3]

I know this is posted in multi forums as well but I figured I'd get more views if I posted this here. Apologies if that's not okay.

Here's my next shot at a rogue monk combo. It's a short sword using backstabbing evasive trapmonkey. He'll be lacking a bit in the dps department but he'll have solid AC and saves.

I don't think I met the prereqs for improved evasion (mainly because I don't know what they are). Can anyone throw me a bone?

Skill points would be in disarm, spot, search, open lock, concentration, balance, umd, and extra points in jump, hide and move silently. I was too lazy to put them on the planner

I meant to fit in power attack but there were too many feats I wanted. Which feat should I get rid of?

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.9.1
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Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(7 Monk \ 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 258
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 21
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             12                    13
Dexterity            17                    23
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom               14                    16
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                     8
Bluff                -1                     3
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                     1
Heal                  2                     3
Hide                  3                    18
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  1                     5
Listen                2                     5
Move Silently         3                    14
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                2                     2
Spot                  2                     3
Swim                  1                     1
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 5 (Monk)


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise


Level 7 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Reflex) I
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Monk)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Fortitude) I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II

[Calebro]

I don't think I met the prereqs for improved evasion (mainly because I don't know what they are). Can anyone throw me a bone?

Skill points would be in disarm, spot, search, open lock, concentration, balance, umd, and extra points in jump, hide and move silently. I was too lazy to put them on the planner

I meant to fit in power attack but there were too many feats I wanted. Which feat should I get rid of?

Improved evasion is a bonus feat that requires 10, 13, 16, or 19 levels of rogue. You get to choose it at one of those levels with no other prereqs needed.

Skill points are actually a point of contention for me on a build like this.
Rogue and monk share quite a few skills, with the exception of search and dd. If you stagger a few rogue levels in there, like 2 monk then 1 rogue then 2 more monk, you'll get much more milage out of your skill points by only raising class skills at levels. Your trap skills will falter a little bit each level and then max out again, then fall behind then max out again. It saves you something like 14 skill points overall, which will be huge, or 21 if you do the same with UMD, which is more then many classes get at creation.

As to PA: You could swap it for the second toughness, but really there's no need for Weapon Focus, so that should be the one to go.

edit:
Found it. This is a similar build, but with the skills maxed so you see what I mean.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.32 
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Level 20 Lawful Neutral (or Good if you choose) Halfling Male 
(7 Monk / 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 283 
Spell Points: 0 

BAB: 14/14/19/24 
Fortitude: 13 
Reflex: 23 
Will: 14 

              Starting    Feat/Enhancement 
Abilities    Base Stats    Modified Stats 	With +6 Gear
(32 Point)    (Level 1)      (Level 20) 		(before crafting)
Strength           14                16 		22
Dexterity          16                28 		34 (32 with Spectral Gloves enhancement line, see below)
Constitution       14                16 		22
Intelligence       12                14 		20
Wisdom             14                18 		24
Charisma            8                10 		16

Tomes Used 
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 
 
              Starting      Feat/Enhancement 
             Base Skills  Modified Skills 
Skills       (Level 1)      (Level 20) 
Balance            7              32 
Bluff              -1             6 
Concentration      2              27 
Diplomacy          -1             0 
Disable Device     5              25 
Haggle             -1             0 
Heal               2              4 
Hide               6              27 
Intimidate         -1             0 
Jump               6              12 
Listen             2              6 
Move Silently      7              30 
Open Lock          7              24 
Perform            n/a            n/a 
Repair             1              2 
Search             5              25 
Spot               6              27 
Swim               2              3 
Tumble             4              12 
Use Magic Device   3              23 
 
Level 1 (Rogue) 
Skill: Balance (+4) 
Skill: Disable Device (+4) 
Skill: Hide (+3) 
Skill: Jump (+4) 
Skill: Move Silently (+4) 
Skill: Open Lock (+4) 
Skill: Search (+4) 
Skill: Spot (+4) 
Skill: Tumble (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) 
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting 
 
Level 2 (Monk) 
Skill: Concentration (+5) 
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness 
 
Level 3 (Monk) 
Skill: Balance (+2) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+2) 
Feat: (Selected) Dodge 
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse 
 
Level 4 (Monk) 
Ability Raise: DEX 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Move Silently (+2) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness 
 
Level 5 (Rogue) 
Skill: Disable Device (+4) 
Skill: Hide (+1) 
Skill: Search (+4) 
 
Level 6 (Monk) 
Skill: Balance (+2) 
Skill: Concentration (+2) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Defense (to be swapped for Shadow Blade if it's ever introduced)
------OR Skill Focus: UMD
 
Level 7 (Monk) 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Hide (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+1) 
Skilll: Move Silently (+1) 
 
Level 8 (Rogue) 
Ability Raise: DEX 
Skill: Disable Device (+3) 
Skill: Move Silently (+1) 
Skill: Search (+3) 
Skill: Spot (+3) 
 
Level 9 (Monk) 
Skill: Balance (+2) 
Skill: Concentration (+2) 
Skill: Hide (+1) 
Skill: Move Silently (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting 
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack 
 
Level 10 (Monk) 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Hide (+2) 
Skill: Move Silently (+2) 
 
Level 11 (Rogue) 
Skill: Disable Device (+3) 
Skill: Open Lock (+1) 
Skill: Search (+3) 
Skill: Spot (+3) 
 
Level 12 (Rogue) 
Ability Raise: DEX 
Skill: Balance (+2) 
Skill: Concentration (+2) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons 
 
Level 13 (Rogue) 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) 
 
Level 14 (Rogue) 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) 
 
Level 15 (Rogue) 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) 
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting 
 
Level 16 (Rogue) 
Ability Raise: DEX 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Open Lock (+2) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) 
 
Level 17 (Rogue) 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Open Lock (+3) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike 
 
Level 18 (Rogue) 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Open Lock (+3) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness (or a different Feat to taste)
 
Level 19 (Rogue) 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Hide (+1) 
Skill: Move Silently (+1) 
Skill: Open Lock (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
 
Level 20 (Rogue) 
Ability Raise: DEX 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Hide (+1) 
Skill: Move Silently (+1) 
Skill: Open Lock (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion 

Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II 
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II 
Enhancement: Halflinng Dexterity II 
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II 
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II 
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I 
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I 
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I 
Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame 
Enhancement: Adept of Wind 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II 
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I 
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II 
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III 
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III 
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II 
Enhancement: Monk Jump II 
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II 
Enhancement: Monk Tumble II 
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III 
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II 
 
OR, with Spectral Gloves (preferred):

Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II 
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III 
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II 
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II 
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II 
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I 
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I 
Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame 
Enhancement: Adept of Wind 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II 
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I 
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II 
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III 
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV 
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II 
Enhancement: Monk Jump II 
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II 
Enhancement: Monk Tumble II 
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II 
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II

discussion here

[quagm1r3]

Thanks. I think I'll just copy that build

[Uska]

should go lawful neutral rather than lawfulgood

[unbongwah]

My take on this idea:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.9.1
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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Halfling Female
(7 Monk \ 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 266
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 22
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             12                    14
Dexterity            18                    26
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom               14                    16
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    16
Bluff                -1                     4
Concentration         2                    28
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device        5                    25
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                  2                     3
Hide                  8                    43
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  5                    10
Listen                2                     5
Move Silently         8                    39
Open Lock             8                    25
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                    25
Spot                  6                    19
Swim                  1                     2
Tumble                5                    11
Use Magic Device      3                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+5)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge


Level 7 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+6)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II
Enhancement: Fists of Iron
Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I

Note that the only tome which is actually required is +1 STR for Power Atk. I include Stunning Fist & IC Blunt to use handwraps as well as short swords; SF is useful to MCed monk builds now that its DC is based on char lvl rather than monk lvl. But they can be dropped if you plan to use blades exclusively.