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    Default a S&B fighter built around Imp Shield Bash

    lemme get this out there right now- this is a flavor build.

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    Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
    (20 Fighter) 
    Hit Points: 372
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
    Fortitude: 15
    Reflex: 6
    Will: 5
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             18                    26
    Dexterity            10                    10
    Constitution         15                    16
    Intelligence          8                     8
    Wisdom                8                     8
    Charisma             10                    10
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               0                     0
    Bluff                 0                     3
    Concentration         2                     6
    Diplomacy             0                     3
    Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
    Haggle                0                     0
    Heal                 -1                    -1
    Hide                  0                     0
    Intimidate            4                    29
    Jump                  4                     9
    Listen               -1                    -1
    Move Silently         0                     0
    Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
    Perform               n/a                   n/a
    Repair               -1                    -1
    Search               -1                    -1
    Spot                 -1                    -1
    Swim                  4                     8
    Tumble                n/a                   n/a
    Use Magic Device      2                    14
    
    Level 1 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+4)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 2 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Bash
    
    
    Level 3 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw
    
    
    Level 4 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 5 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 6 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 7 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 8 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 11 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 12 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 13 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 14 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery
    
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Mastery
    
    
    Level 16 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Sunder
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 19 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 20 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Sap
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
    Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
    Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity
    Enhancement: Kensei Bastard Sword Mastery I
    Enhancement: Kensei Bastard Sword Mastery II
    Enhancement: Kensei Bastard Sword Mastery III
    Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
    Enhancement: Fighter Bastard Sword Specialization I
    Enhancement: Fighter Bastard Sword Specialization II
    Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV
    the concept is to use Imp shield bash with a Bastard Sword's glancing blows to deal a fair bit of DPS while increasing survivability by always having a shield equipped.

    by no meas an optimized toon, i've just always liked the S&B style, and the idea of actually being able to attack with your shield like real firgthers do was too good to pass up.

    SF: UMD and the CHA enhancement are there to make it possible to reach UMD 20 for equiping stuff (14 + 3 from +6 CHA item = 17 + persuasion crafted item = 20)

    any suggestions on how to make it better, while still maintaining the flavor of the toon?

    [edit: any shield he'd be using would be crafted to have shield spikes and bashing for extra damage]
    [edit: made a mistake in the builder that i had to correct, resulting in a sligtly different enhancement list]
    [edit: missed a feat at level 3, so i added in quick draw. ignore the order the feats are taken in, its not really the best, just wanted to fit them all in]
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    I too would like a S&B char so I hope some good builders comment on this.

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    very cool, hopefully when the house D epics get a rework this build will get even better. I'd suggest working in the other 2 tiers of human healing amp if you can stand too. With Shield mastery and enough amp +hp you can do some good tanking

    I basically turned my Half-elf SD into a similar build a while back and with 25% damage mitigation from holding a shield combined with respectably high healing amp+700ish hp, she could tank elite horoth very effectively. Though I turned her back into an AC build now that I completed my gear for her.
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    To main-stream not enough flavor!!!!

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    Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
    (20 Fighter) 
    Hit Points: 382
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
    Fortitude: 16
    Reflex: 9
    Will: 5
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             16                    26
    Dexterity            15                    17
    Constitution         16                    18
    Intelligence         12                    13
    Wisdom                8                     8
    Charisma              8                    10
    
    Tomes Used
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               4                    14
    Bluff                -1                     3
    Concentration         3                     7
    Diplomacy            -1                     3
    Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
    Haggle               -1                     0
    Heal                 -1                    -1
    Hide                  2                     3
    Intimidate            3                    33
    Jump                  7                    13
    Listen               -1                    -1
    Move Silently         2                     3
    Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
    Perform              n/a                    n/a
    Repair                1                     1
    Search                1                     1
    Spot                 -1                     8
    Swim                  3                     8
    Tumble                3                     4
    Use Magic Device      0                    11
    
    Level 1 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Sentinel
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 2 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
    
    
    Level 3 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Dodge
    
    
    Level 4 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons
    
    
    Level 5 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 6 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
    
    
    Level 7 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 8 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Bash
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
    
    
    Level 11 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 12 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
    
    
    Level 13 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 14 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise
    
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons
    
    
    Level 16 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery
    Feat: (Selected) Superior Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
    
    
    Level 19 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 20 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
    Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity
    Enhancement: Kensei Warhammer Mastery I
    Enhancement: Kensei Warhammer Mastery II
    Enhancement: Kensei Warhammer Mastery III
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy IV
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) III
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) IV
    Enhancement: Fighter Warhammer Specialization I
    Enhancement: Fighter Warhammer Specialization II
    Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
    Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV

    -TWF OR s&b
    -More damage/higher crit rate on shields
    -Easy to have high stun

    Now THATS flavor!
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    I would like to eventually do a ac based S&B dwarf fighter, the max dex bonus on armor possible is like 11 or 12 on full plate mithril. If you could find a way to fit in that dex and the enhancements needed for it, it could make one good tank char.

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    I like it.

    I am currently playing an S&B shield bashing toon, mostly fighter but with three levels of Paladin, and might take more once I snag Stalwart Defender 2.

    Loving the build and she's 14th level now. Despite using the khopesh she's not optimized by any stretch, but she's fun to play and does well enough.

    Can't wait to put more time into crafting a bashing shield.

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    bastard sword/dwarven axe is better for s&b due to glancing blows IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdavet90 View Post
    bastard sword/dwarven axe is better for s&b due to glancing blows IMO.
    this

    Also, sap ftw my friend, check this out: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=326663

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    i made a mistake in the original build, 1 build point was unspent, so i put it into CHA and drop Human Adaptability CHA for Human improved recovery II. build above changed to reflect this
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    QUickdraw instead of SB:UMD for all the haste boosts you're going to be using?

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    If the proposed changes to Chimera's Fang go through, you're going to want the 3 Sentinel Dragonmarks so you get +10 and Disintegration added to your shield bashes.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jdavet90 View Post
    I would like to eventually do a ac based S&B dwarf fighter, the max dex bonus on armor possible is like 11 or 12 on full plate mithril. If you could find a way to fit in that dex and the enhancements needed for it, it could make one good tank char.
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    been looking things over and Dwarf Axe is looking like a better choice than Bastard Sword.

    either one works for the build, DA has higher crits, BA has more Named Weapons (i think), so not sure which to take
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    I've experimented with a shield bashing toon.

    What I suggest is to make an Intimitank/Stawart Defender. With as much AC and Str as you can get. (means you need a little Dex, cause you will want max AC with a Tower Shield)

    Crafting makes getting some cool shiled for this quiet possible.

    Stuff like Seeker and BAckstabbing effects all weapons, not just the one it is on. And this includes shields.

    Try to get as much DR as possible.

    I do not know what race is best.

    Mine was not built with enough thought to get the AC I would've liked. As the toon evolved, I saw more use from shield bashing on a tank type...who could turtle up, intim ad keep bashing and still get full blocking DR.
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    I have a S&B, Imp Shield Bash, Intimidate focused, Stalwart Defender who uses Bastard Swords. I love it. Probably the second most fun melee build I've rolled with.
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    K, it is possible to have a threat tank/intim alternate S&B build, the only builds so far on my personal ones that out DPS me are Greatsword using WF, Greataxe using HOrcs, and TWF Daxe using Dwarves. This goes for any class I've come up against to compare, although admitedly not many Barbs have shown up, but the two or three that did I lead the kill count in simply because I played better, couldn't tell DPS wise.

    My suggestion is that you find ways to pump your DPS and intim in that order, and don't block too much if you want aggro, I'll let you know more as my test build gets higher levels and enters the vale.

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    edit
    Last edited by Ngha; 07-01-2011 at 06:57 AM.

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    Have a look at my Sentinel Squire: same basic concept, but with the Sentinel DMs to take advantage of (epic) Chimera's Fang and without dumping AC the way your build does. You'll need to rearrange it a bit if you want the shield feats; I'd drop Bullheaded, SF Intim, and Dodge to work them in. Also maybe take BSword prof. if you want to use other BSwords rather than being stuck with just one.
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    not that fighters dont have tons of feats

    but if your to hit is high enough why bother with bsword proficiency at all?

    just take the -4 to hit, though added to the -2 to hit of tower shield that might be much

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    always thought a barbarian, frenzied, with that super high crit w/bludgeon, and super high strength would make a good shield basher...lol
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