Nike, Dps lovin' , Hate Tanking, AC Junkie

[stormarcher]

Why the name Nike? Nike is the Greek goddess of victory and this build is

Winning duh!

layout, idea, concept and most of gear is from Srozbun's build

My personal belief on 'Tanks': Tanks can range anywhere from S&B wearing heavy armor and using intim, to just straight using intimidate. But what do you really get from using intimidate? You sit there, soaking up mana from the healer who is healing you to just sit there and hold aggro. Why not be a contribution to your party and actually do DPS to gain aggro? That way you aren't just sitting there drinking your coffee clicking intim every cooldown while every1 else in the raid majorly contributes. (not hating on all you intimidating machines out there just my point of view) So my main standpoint is DPS- makes - the - mob - die -faster perspective.

Disclaimer: At the moment this is only a concept build, depending on the feedback from the community depends on if I personally roll one. This build is very gear intensive. It can be played well with out all the gear how ever to increase maximum efficiency and potential you may want to have/acquire this gear. I would also like to think that this build is not new player friendly since there will be a lot of swapping items around for certain situations.

The main goal of this build is to gain aggro from mobs via hate tanking, have a high enough ac where he can either not be hit all together, or very in-frequently. High HP's/Saves/AC for tanking elite ToD/ VoD/ Edq, etc. And the ability to be very healer friendly.

Nike, Dps lovin' , Hate Tanking, AC Junkie 12 fighter/6 pally/2 monk Human[/b]
Can be done with 32 point build how ever, I will be posting the 34 pt variant since that would be what I would have if I ran this build.
[Best past lives would be monk, pally, fighter, barb]
Stats: 34pt
Str:17
Dex:10
Con:16
Int:11
Wis:8
Cha:14

Why Thf over twf : You can now slot sword of shadows with devil's ruin, something we couldn't do before. At the time, t2wf was way ahead on certain situations like boss fights which made 2HF seem less flexible. It's still slightly true but nothing to significant.

Feats/Level progression:
Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting

Level 2 (Paladin)

Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 4 (Paladin)

Level 5 (Paladin)

Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 7 (Paladin)

Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise

Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting

Level 10 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge

Level 11 (Fighter)

Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons

Level 13 (Fighter)

Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw

Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Sentinel

Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 17 (Fighter)

Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist

Level 19 (Fighter)

Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons

DPS
Helm: shroud 45 HP (on at all times)
Neck: Shintao Cord
Belt: encrusted/Ravager Belt
Armor: Icy Raiments
Ring1: Encrusted/ Ravager’s Ring (dunno if fixed yet)
Ring2: maybe epic ring of silver concord +7 cha higher smites/LoH/ Kyoshos
Boots: Anchoring/Madstone
Bracers: Epic Claw
Gloves: Epic Claw
Goggles: Tharne’s Goggles cant think of anything better
Cloak: Epic Envenomed cloak/ mabar
Trinket: litany
Weapon: Lit II falchion/eSoS (lit II falchion till you get eSoS) or crafted boss beater.
str: 17 base + 2 tome + 5 level + 4 enh + 6 item + 4 stance + 3 exc. + 2 ship + 2 yugo + 2 rage +1 litany = 48

Tank Mode
When tanking we want to be able to do the following things: Dps/ac/healing amp. fitting that in in gear slots is tricky but I think i got it.

Body: -Dragontouched Vestments or Robe: 10% Healing Amplification from Eldritch Rune, 20% Healing Amplification from Tempest Rune, Sovereign rune property of your choice. giving up a little Ac here but the healing amp is a big +
Head: 45 hp
Bracers: Epic Claw [Heavy Fort, +2 Exc. CON]_more hp's
Gloves: Epic Claw [30% Amp, +6 STR,] ~ again more healing amp were up to 60% now with out any enhancements.
Goggles: Epic Goggles of Time Sensing ~ more hp's/dex/wisdom
Cloak: Epic Mabar Cloak [+2 Dodge]
Trinket: Epic Nimble Trinket [+1 Dodge]/Lotd (depends if you want to go dps or Ac mode. if you are in a raid where the +1 dodge wont effect how often you get hit then swap to lotd)
ring1: encrusted/ravager/ if ac is need Chattering ring.
Ring2: Cinder’s Band ~more hp more ac and more threat.
Boots: Madstone/Anchoring
Belt: Encrusted/ravager/ if ac is needed swap to
gear layout props to srozbun for giving the best ideal gear for any hate tank build
Neck: Stalwart Necklace con and extra action boost.

Hp breakdown
363 naked
10 Draconic Vitality
60 +6 CON item
20 +2 Exc. CON item
30 GFL
45 Shroud
20 +2 ship buff
20 rage pot
-------------------
568
20 +1 Exc. CON/LotD with +3 CON tome
40 Yugo
-------------------
628 hp

AC breakdown
10 Base
1 Dodge Feat
4 Icy Dodge
1 Alchemical Dodge
4 WIS (8 base + 2 tome + 2 exc + 6 item = 18)
4 DEX (10 base + 2 tome + 6 item = 18)
1 TWD
1 Monk
4 Insight
5 Protection
5 Ranger bark
8 Armor
4 Shield Wand
5 CE
1 Haste
4 Bard
2 Recitation
2 Yugo (DEX and WIS)
5 Airship (+3 natural, +2 DEX, +2 WIS)

2 Mabar
3 Stalwart
2 Stalwart Set
3 Chattering
1 Nimble Trinket (when not using LotD)
82
6 Paladin
88
4 Versatility Boost
4 AC Boost
96

Could squeeze in even more AC if needed but would loose some dps/healing amp.

Not to shabby for a build with a total of %120 healing amp (60 enhance+60 item with ship +10 so %130)

Threat: 20% Epic Claw Set + 15% Stalwart Set + %100 paladin hate = %135

Props to Srozbun for the most ideal set up for any threat/hate tank with healing amp.

Idk just a thought. enjoy

[Srozbun]

Why the name Nike? Nike is the Greek goddess of victory and this build is

My personal belief on 'Tanks': Tanks can range anywhere from S&B wearing heavy armor and using intim, to just straight using intimidate. But what do you really get from using intimidate? You sit there, soaking up mana from the healer who is healing you to just sit there and hold aggro. Why not be a contribution to your party and actually do DPS to gain aggro? That way you aren't just sitting there drinking your coffee clicking intim every cooldown while every1 else in the raid majorly contributes. (not hating on all you intimidating machines out there just my point of view) So my main standpoint is DPS- makes - the - mob - die -faster perspective.

Disclaimer: At the moment this is only a concept build, depending on the feedback from the community depends on if I personally roll one. This build is very gear intensive. It can be played well with out all the gear how ever to increase maximum efficiency and potential you may want to have/acquire this gear. I would also like to think that this build is not new player friendly since there will be a lot of swapping items around for certain situations.

The main goal of this build is to gain aggro from mobs via hate tanking, have a high enough ac where he can either not be hit all together, or very in-frequently. High HP's/Saves/AC for tanking elite ToD/ VoD/ Edq, etc. And the ability to be very healer friendly.

Nike, Dps lovin' , Hate Tanking, AC Junkie 12 fighter/6 pally/2 monk Human[/b]
Can be done with 32 point build how ever, I will be posting the 34 pt variant since that would be what I would have if I ran this build.
[Best past lives would be monk, pally, fighter, barb]
Stats: 34pt
Str:17
Dex:10
Con:16
Int:11
Wis:8
Cha:14

Why Thf over twf : You can now slot sword of shadows with devil's ruin, something we couldn't do before. At the time, t2wf was way ahead on certain situations like boss fights which made 2HF seem less flexible. It's still slightly true but nothing to significant.

Feats/Level progression:
Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting

Level 2 (Paladin)

Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 4 (Paladin)

Level 5 (Paladin)

Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 7 (Paladin)

Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise

Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting

Level 10 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge

Level 11 (Fighter)

Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons

Level 13 (Fighter)

Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw

Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Sentinel

Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 17 (Fighter)

Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist

Level 19 (Fighter)

Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons

DPS
Helm: shroud 45 HP (on at all times)
Neck: Shintao Cord
Belt: encrusted/Ravager Belt
Armor: Icy Raiments
Ring1: Encrusted/ Ravager’s Ring (dunno if fixed yet)
Ring2: Kyosho’s Ring
Boots: Striding/Anchoring/Madstone
Bracers: Epic Claw
Gloves: Epic Claw
Goggles: Tharne’s Goggles
Cloak: Epic Mabar Cloak
Trinket: litany
Weapon: Lit II falchion/eSoS (lit II falchion till you get eSoS) or crafted boss beater.
str: 17 base + 2 tome + 5 level + 4 enh + 6 item + 4 stance + 3 exc. + 2 ship + 2 yugo + 2 rage +1 litany = 48

Tank Mode
When tanking we want to be able to do the following things: Dps/ac/healing amp. fitting that in in gear slots is tricky but I think i got it.

Body: -Dragontouched Vestments or Robe: 10% Healing Amplification from Eldritch Rune, 20% Healing Amplification from Tempest Rune, Sovereign rune property of your choice. giving up a little Ac here but the healing amp is a big +
Head: 45 hp
Bracers: Epic Claw [Heavy Fort, +2 Exc. CON]_more hp's
Gloves: Epic Claw [30% Amp, +6 STR,] ~ again more healing amp were up to 60% now with out any enhancements.
Goggles: Epic Goggles of Time Sensing ~ more hp's/dex/wisdom
Cloak: Epic Mabar Cloak [+2 Dodge]
Trinket: Epic Nimble Trinket [+1 Dodge]/Lotd (depends if you want to go dps or Ac mode. if you are in a raid where the +1 dodge wont effect how often you get hit then swap to lotd)
ring1: encrusted/ravager/ if ac is need Chattering ring.
Ring2: Cinder’s Band ~more hp more ac and more threat.
Boots: Madstone/Anchoring
Belt: Encrusted/ravager/ if ac is needed swap to Epic Siren’s Belt [+8 armor, disease immunity, protection +5]
Neck: Stalwart Necklace con and extra action boost.

Hp breakdown
363 naked
10 Draconic Vitality
60 +6 CON item
20 +2 Exc. CON item
30 GFL
45 Shroud
20 +2 ship buff
20 rage pot
-------------------
568
20 +1 Exc. CON/LotD with +3 CON tome
40 Yugo
-------------------
628 hp

AC breakdown
10 Base
1 Dodge Feat
4 Icy Dodge
1 Alchemical Dodge
4 WIS (8 base + 2 tome + 2 exc + 6 item = 18)
4 DEX (10 base + 2 tome + 6 item = 18)
1 TWD
1 Monk
4 Insight
5 Protection
5 Ranger bark
8 Armor
4 Shield Wand
5 CE
1 Haste
4 Bard
2 Recitation
2 Yugo (DEX and WIS)
5 Airship (+3 natural, +2 DEX, +2 WIS)

2 Mabar
3 Stalwart
2 Stalwart Set
3 Chattering
1 Nimble Trinket (when not using LotD)
82
6 Paladin
88
4 Versatility Boost
4 AC Boost
96

Could squeeze in even more AC if needed but would loose some dps/healing amp.

Not to shabby for a build with a total of %120 healing amp (60 enhance+60 item with ship +10 so %130)

Threat: 20% Epic Claw Set + 15% Stalwart Set + %100 paladin hate = %135



Idk just a thought. enjoy

If you're going to c/p my post at least give credit where it's due.

[stormarcher]

If you're going to c/p my post at least give credit where it's due.

Didnt c/p

will give u props. mad mad props. your gear set-up is basically the ideal set-up for any tank.

kudos

[Srozbun]

i go thf you went twf. you went 18/2 i went 12/6/2

we have completely different gear sets.

If i have epic claw set does that mean i am copying every other build out there?

Different stats.

My post: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=326756

In post 3, I posted the 12/6/2 variant. I don't care that your level split is the same as a variant of mine. I care that the entire layout of your post is almost the same as mine.

The personal belief. The disclaimer in red. The DPS set which is the exact same as mine except with eSoS instead of two khopeshes (even the capitalization and strength listed after the dps gear). Tank mode it looks like you c/ped my gear as well and added in additions of your own.

The AC calc is c/p of mine changing your dex/wis scores. You even kept the paladin/boost ACs that I had.

Yes, your build is different than mine because you went THF. Great. You also copied my layout, directly lifted out most of my post. However, I referred to the build that I used when I created my post, and I did not just copy paste his post and change little things. I would have appreciated you did the same.

[Srozbun]

Didnt c/p

will give u props. mad mad props. your gear set-up is basically the ideal set-up for any tank.

kudos

The gear set-up is not "ideal." There is no ideal gear set. That was the setup I chose because I had epic claw available and the epic mabar cloak already made on him. When I made the 12/6/2 variant in post 3, you will notice the gear is significantly different.

Like I said, I don't care if you DID c/p. I understand that it's easier to do gear/breakdown layouts c/ping. However, you have given me no credit for it, and continue to deny c/p ing. Proof that you c/ped? Part of what makes the build work using TWF, is TWD (1 AC) and insight +4 on a shroud offhand weapon (+4 AC). Yet your "original non-c/ped" build still lists those in the AC layout. Whoops.

Edit: Also, in your AC layout you have +2 cinder set. That +2 only applies if you are stalwart 3, which would be impossible on a 12/6/2. The 3 stalwart is only 2 stalwart because of the 12/6/2 level split as well. Stalwart 3 does still have 3 AC in stance though. In post 3 on my thread you can see a AC layout for a 12/6/2.

[Crankymonky]

str: 17 base + 2 tome + 5 level + 4 enh + 6 item + 4 stance + 3 exc. + 2 ship + 2 yugo + 2 rage +1 litany = 48

You only have stalwart stance 2, so you would only get 3 str from stance, but even with this strength value, not going to be a great number for epic stunning. I would ditch stunning blow.

Stun DC: 10 + 10 maul + 18 = 38.

Also not sure how I feel about Cleave, but that's a personal choice, just like stun in this situation.

Stats: 34pt
Str:17
Dex:10
Con:16
Int:11
Wis:8
Cha:14

Hp breakdown
363 naked
10 Draconic Vitality
60 +6 CON item
20 +2 Exc. CON item
30 GFL
45 Shroud
20 +2 ship buff
20 rage pot
-------------------
568
20 +1 Exc. CON/LotD with +3 CON tome
40 Yugo
-------------------
628 hp

363 naked HP? Where are you getting that number.

12 Fighter levels = 12*10 = 120.
6 Paladin levels = 6*10 = 60.
2 Monk levels = 2*8 = 16
16 con (+3) = 3*20 = 60
+2 con tome = 20

I assume enhancements. Not doubting the number, but I would like to see it.

Tank Mode
When tanking we want to be able to do the following things: Dps/ac/healing amp. fitting that in in gear slots is tricky but I think i got it.

Body: -Dragontouched Vestments or Robe: 10% Healing Amplification from Eldritch Rune, 20% Healing Amplification from Tempest Rune, Sovereign rune property of your choice. giving up a little Ac here but the healing amp is a big +
Head: 45 hp
Bracers: Epic Claw [Heavy Fort, +2 Exc. CON]_more hp's
Gloves: Epic Claw [30% Amp, +6 STR,] ~ again more healing amp were up to 60% now with out any enhancements.
Goggles: Epic Goggles of Time Sensing ~ more hp's/dex/wisdom
Cloak: Epic Mabar Cloak [+2 Dodge]
Trinket: Epic Nimble Trinket [+1 Dodge]/Lotd (depends if you want to go dps or Ac mode. if you are in a raid where the +1 dodge wont effect how often you get hit then swap to lotd)
ring1: encrusted/ravager/ if ac is need Chattering ring.
Ring2: Cinder’s Band ~more hp more ac and more threat.
Boots: Madstone/Anchoring
Belt: Encrusted/ravager/ if ac is needed swap to
Neck: Stalwart Necklace con and extra action boost.


AC breakdown
10 Base
1 Dodge Feat
4 Icy Dodge
1 Alchemical Dodge
4 WIS (8 base + 2 tome + 2 exc + 6 item = 18)
4 DEX (10 base + 2 tome + 6 item = 18)
1 TWD
1 Monk
4 Insight
5 Protection
5 Ranger bark
8 Armor
4 Shield Wand
5 CE
1 Haste
4 Bard
2 Recitation
2 Yugo (DEX and WIS)
5 Airship (+3 natural, +2 DEX, +2 WIS)

2 Mabar
3 Stalwart
2 Stalwart Set
3 Chattering
1 Nimble Trinket (when not using LotD)
82
6 Paladin
88
4 Versatility Boost
4 AC Boost
96

You only get 2 AC from stalwart since you are Stalwart 2. (-1)
You don't get 2 AC from stalwart set since you aren't Stalwart 3. (-2)
You don't have Two Weapon Defence. (-1)
You don't have insight 4 on your eSoS. (-4)
You don't have dodge 4 from Icy Raiments. (-4)
You only have armor 6 from DT. (-2)

You also forgot to include your own paladin aura, which would account for 2 (assuming you take enhancements).

Your AC in full AC mode is reduced from 82 raid buffed (Ranger Bark, Bard Song, Haste, Recitation) to 70.

One solution to some of these problems might be to wear epic Siren's set. (Armor 8 and insight 4).

Not to shabby for a build with a total of %120 healing amp (60 enhance+60 item with ship +10 so %130)

So you know, healing amp doesn't stack that way and wouldn't be expressed that way.
30% Human
30% Claw
20% DT
10% DT
10% Ship

1.3*1.3*1.2*1.1*1.1 = 245.388% healing amp.

Where is the other 30 enhancement coming from?

[Kinerd]

Why Thf over twf : You can now slot sword of shadows with devil's ruin, something we couldn't do before. At the time, t2wf was way ahead on certain situations like boss fights which made 2HF seem less flexible. It's still slightly true but nothing to significant.

Your build would dramatically favor TWF over THF. You have 30% Haste Boost, Divine Sacrifice, and presumably Knight of the Chalice. Cannith Crafting has made better TWF DR-breakers much more accessible.

[XbaileyX]

Love the name, who would have thought to name there hate tank after a Greek Goddess! :P