Rogue Assassin

[Igorzander]

Planning on TRing my little monk into this big guy. Any constructive criticism would be apreciated. He will be a two weapon fighting, strength based rogue that focuses on dps. He will be mainly using khopeshes.

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Urnust 
Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 15
Will: 4

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             17                    24
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom                6                     6
Charisma              7                     7

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    28
Bluff                 2                    23
Concentration         3                     6
Diplomacy             2                    23
Disable Device        6                    28
Haggle               -2                     0
Heal                 -2                     0
Hide                  6                    28
Intimidate           -2                     0
Jump                  5                    32
Listen               -2                     0
Move Silently         6                    28
Open Lock             6                    28
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                2                     5
Search                6                    28
Spot                 -2                     0
Swim                  3                     9
Tumble                4                    18
Use Magic Device      2                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Rogue)


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery


Level 20 (Rogue)

Some calculations:

Strength- 17 base + 5 level ups + 2 tome + 6 item = 30 (Without other buffs)


Intelligence- 14 base + 2 tome +6 item + 2 capstone = 24 (Without other buffs)
Assassinate DC- 10 + 7 + 20 = 37 at level 20.
Assassinate DC- 10 + 6 + 13 = 29 at level 13.

Constitution- 16 base + 2 tome + 6 item + 2 enhancement = 26 (Without other buffs)


Hit Points- 302 + 45 green steel + 30 Greater False Life + (A +6 Con item) = I don't know . Can someone help me with this one.

I also don't know how to do the attack modifier, so if someone can help me with that, it would be awesome.



Questions:
-As I have never played a rogue before, is that a good assassinate DC or a bad one?
-I will be true neutral so would I be able to use a Lit II khopesh with holy, lighting burst, lighting blast?
-What other knopesh should I use besides the Lit II one? (I am not going to make a another green steel one)

[AZgreentea]

Having a RAD weapon will be helpful, as your primary source of DPS will be SA, not melee damage itself. My lvl 17 first life assassin does an average of 68 SA damage, and I havent twinked her for it yet. Compare that to her base damage which is about 20-30 on a non-crit.

[stupid123]

I'd drop the int and max str to 20

[Ssmooth]

I'd drop the int and max str to 20

At least you live up to your forum name He's WF...max 18.


I have a rogue very similar to this. I would recommend maxing str and lowering int. Currently I have a base str of 36 on my rogue and can hit any epic trap in game with an int of 24(12 base+2 tome, +6 item, +2 exc, +2 ship). HP-wise, I'm only at 447hp but still looking for that +4 tome and an Envenomed Cloak scroll that would add 40 hp. I generally run around with ~487hp with ship and rage.

As your to-hit will be str based, go for a max end-game number and will be your weak spot in epics. Also try to get a couple of Divine Power clickies to up your BAB.

Very fun to play, massive dps.

[stupid123]

At least you live up to your forum name He's WF...max 18.

Haha, when I saw max str I thought he would go Horc, a wf rogue seems a bit odd to me.

[Ssmooth]

Haha, when I saw max str I thought he would go Horc, a wf rogue seems a bit odd to me.

Max str was never mentioned. Not sure why race would matter in that aspect... Max str would have to be race dependant. A max str 1/2ling would still be max str...for a 1/2ling.

As far as strange? Why? +2 con, +2 con enh=+40 hp, great immunities.

[stupid123]

As far as strange? Why? +2 con, +2 con enh=+40 hp, great immunities.

Yawn.

[Ssmooth]

Planning on TRing my little monk into this big guy. Any constructive criticism would be apreciated. He will be a two weapon fighting, strength based rogue that focuses on dps. He will be mainly using khopeshes.



Questions:
-As I have never played a rogue before, is that a good assassinate DC or a bad one?
-I will be true neutral so would I be able to use a Lit II khopesh with holy, lighting burst, lighting blast?
-What other knopesh should I use besides the Lit II one? (I am not going to make a another green steel one)

1. Your assassinate DC will be 'ok'. You will get some epic mobs, but will probably be ~50%.

2. Your alignment will not matter for your GS khopesh.

3. If you are not going to make another GS khopesh, do you plan to have high crafting levels? Run many epics? If you plan to run epics, there is only ONE epic khopesh--Chaos Blade. If you plan on crafting khopesh's, you will want to make a few: (1) +4 Holyburst Silver Khopesh of Lawful Outsider Bane (2) +4 Holyburst Adamantine Khopesh of Maiming (3) +4 Anarchicburst Adamantine Khopesh of Greater Contruct Banex2.

If not those 2 options, find/buy smiters, vorpals and DR bypassers.

[Ssmooth]

Yawn.

Tired?

[Igorzander]

As far as Rad II goes, I don't see why I would want it. I don't solo a lot and this guy is not built for soloing (+the lower crit range for the khopesh). And for the maxing the strength, my issue with that is it takes too many points to max it with not much gain from it.

[Igorzander]

Got a question, how do people get their stats so high, I can only get mine to mid 30s .

[Kinerd]

Class enhancements, race enhancements, the various Rages, exceptional bonuses, Yugo potions.

I use 185 as "standard gear HP":

6 con item = 60
2 con tome = 20
argo favor = 10
GFL = 30
greensteel HP item = 45
minos/thaarak bracer = 20

total = 185

So you've got 242 + 185 = 427. That's pretty good for a rogue, and you don't appear to have spent any APs yet so you could bump it there if you want. (Speaking of enhancements, Haste Boost is awesome.)

Regarding to-hit, you might have a little trouble, especially if you take WF PA enhancements. You don't have OTWF or racial to-hit enhancements, but it's definitely manageable.

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Assassinate is in many cases a parlor trick. In a few cases it is a very useful parlor trick, but it's not something you have to worry about.

[karnokvolrath]

Yawn.

Fail, everyone knows Warforged are the rockxorz. :P

On rogues i tend to lean halfling, but immunities...oh how i love those immunities.

[Igorzander]

Hello again, Just wanted to post another idea. This time, a half orc. Why? Because of the extra strength and they look cool . The horc gets me +3 extra strength but looses out on 40 hps and the immunities. He also does not have to worry about the healing penalty. So here it is, again...

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Urnust 
Level 20 True Neutral Half-Orc Male
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 262
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 15
Will: 6

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             18                 25                   27
Dexterity            15                 17                   17
Constitution         16                 18                   18
Intelligence         12                 14                   16
Wisdom                8                 10                   10
Charisma              6                  8                    8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    28
Bluff                 2                    30
Concentration         3                     6
Diplomacy             2                    24
Disable Device        5                    28
Haggle               -2                     1
Heal                 -1                     2
Hide                  6                    36
Intimidate           -2                     1
Jump                  4                    23
Listen               -1                     2
Move Silently         6                    36
Open Lock             6                    28
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                1                     5
Search                5                    28
Spot                 -1                     2
Swim                  4                    10
Tumble                n/a                   6
Use Magic Device      2                    24

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Rogue)


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Orcish Fury I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking IV
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II

*PA might be changed depending on if I can hit with it , replacements could be OTWF or another Toughness

Strength:

18 base
5 level ups
2 enchantment
3 tome (probably a +2, then a +1 Exceptional)
6 item
------
34 Standing
2 rage spell
2 ship
-------
38 Almost Standing
2 Madstone Rage
2 Orcish Fury
2 Madstone Reaction
--------
44 Situational + potions and such


Hit points:
262 + 185 = 447 Not too bad

Equipment: (Could Use Help Here, Just post suggestions)
Head: Mino's
Armour: Dragon Touched with GFL, +1 Exceptional Strength and Radiance Gaurd maybe...
Neck: +6 Con Item
Belt:
Goggles: Tharne's
Boots: Madstone
Cloak: GS HP item
Ring 1: +6 Int Item
Ring 2: Have not looked at the TOD rings yet, probably one of those
Bracers: Tharne's or Healing Amp
Trinket: Blood Stone

Weapon 1: Lit II Khopesh
Weapon 2:


Any Suggestions or Help is Appreciated

[OldAquarian]

If you aren't dead set on being pure 20 rogue or using khopeshes:
Have you considered splashing either 1 monk or 1 monk/1 fighter
With a Monk past life, a high STR and the right gear your unarmed damage will be quite good
Yes, you will lose capstone and possibly the 19 SA, but your non SA damage should go up from increased speed and full offhand STR bonus