Melee + DOTs + HP = Tank?

[Jiirix]

Would be some OK melee damage and full stacked DOTs be enough to hold the aggro of raid bosses? I am thinking about a Warforged Favorite Soul with maximum hp. Would such a build need intimidate too?

[Jiirix]

Was playing around with the planner and got this one figured out. Does it make any sence?

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.09.02
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Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male
(20 Favored Soul) 
Hit Points: 382
Spell Points: 1922 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 12
Will: 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         18                    22
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               12                    14
Charisma             12                    16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Concentration         8                    29
Jump                  3                    19

Level 1 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Lord of Blades
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Level 5 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire
Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Level 10 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold
Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Enhancement: Favored Soul Ascendency: Lord of Blades
Enhancement: Bladesworn Transformation
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Greatsword Specialization II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting III
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III

[grodon9999]

My friend tried this . . . he wasn't able to hold aggro over pimped out melees. It'll be fine int he typical VoD pug though, but why go through all that trouble for that?.

[biggin]

In theory it should work well enough. You will have a ton of gear to collect to make it viable however. Any serious melee that walks in with an ESoS, hate items, etc will spin him fast. Not to mention places like ToD where you would give up a ton of DPS where you would be taking DoT if you tried to heal yourself.

I've seen a few WF arcanes pull it off in VoD. Basically you really have to know what you're doing and have the right gear to back it up to pull it off in end game content. I can honestly say though that I've been around a lot of great players and great groups and haven't seen a FVS tank anything on purpose.

[WielderofGigantus]

I was under the impression that divine casters only had one DoT: Divine Punishment. Initimidate would certainly help, although I'm not sure if it would be enough.

[bradleyforrest]

I was under the impression that divine casters only had one DoT: Divine Punishment. Initimidate would certainly help, although I'm not sure if it would be enough.

FVS also get their shoulder cannon.

[biggin]

I was under the impression that divine casters only had one DoT: Divine Punishment. Initimidate would certainly help, although I'm not sure if it would be enough.

FVS also have another 'sort of' DoT with the archon, which hits decently hard when the purple damage starts ticking. And that DP can hit for 1600+ a tick.

[Sequell]

I have a Human FvS EVoker that is geared quite well and I know for a fact it is possible.

I can take and keep aggro from fully geared well built barbs if I feel like...though normally there is no reason to.

It is alot of work to get the gear but it sure makes soloing a joke as well as TRing. The build is a blast to play for me.

Personally I wouldn't do it the way you have posted but I don't like WF FvS so i'm a little racist!

[orakio]

In theory it should work well enough. You will have a ton of gear to collect to make it viable however. Any serious melee that walks in with an ESoS, hate items, etc will spin him fast. Not to mention places like ToD where you would give up a ton of DPS where you would be taking DoT if you tried to heal yourself.

I've seen a few WF arcanes pull it off in VoD. Basically you really have to know what you're doing and have the right gear to back it up to pull it off in end game content. I can honestly say though that I've been around a lot of great players and great groups and haven't seen a FVS tank anything on purpose.

The thing is those same hate items, ESoS, etc. are all useable by the WF FvS. In theory and reality it is possible as divine punishment and shoulder cannon can add a very very large amount of hate, the only problem is that it is slow to ramp up since you need to get 3 ticks of that DoT rolling.

[articwarrior]

for casters it most definitly works, I've seen casters popping off 1k hits with their DoTs and would commonly pull agro away from the group

[Sequell]

The thing is those same hate items, ESoS, etc. are all useable by the WF FvS. In theory and reality it is possible as divine punishment and shoulder cannon can add a very very large amount of hate, the only problem is that it is slow to ramp up since you need to get 3 ticks of that DoT rolling.

Takes less than 45 seconds to get to Tier 3 of the DOT and with your cannon pumping the whole time and whatever boss you are fighting hitting you it just makes the DOTs and cannon hit harder...

Bottom line, it doesn't take long at all if the person behind the keyboard knows what they are doing.

[maddmatt70]

Yes, FVS can now tank just like Sorcs and Wiz can. Quite frankly FVS do more dps then melee now so you will find it rather easy to retain aggro just make sure to keep the divine punishment on the target and swing your sword second. Divine Punishment is the key.

[maddmatt70]

My friend tried this . . . he wasn't able to hold aggro over pimped out melees. It'll be fine int he typical VoD pug though, but why go through all that trouble for that?.

Your friend likely did not know what he/she was doing. DOTs are overpowered.

[Sequell]

Your friend likely did not know what he/she was doing. DOTs are overpowered.

Finally, someone else who understands the power of the FvS DOTs.

Overpowered though - IMO they aren't, just very powerful on a well built character. All characters should be powerful when geared and built well.

[biggin]

Finally, someone else who understands the power of the FvS DOTs.

Overpowered though - IMO they aren't, just very powerful on a well built character. All characters should be powerful when geared and built well.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing the fact of a FVS potential. But with a June 2011 forum join date he may be a far cry from being able to properly gear himself out. I don't think people realize sometimes that to make one toon like this viable most have 10 other toons running end game to gear it out with scrolls, shards and seals not to mention the GS investment, number of raids to gather the named items, etc.

It wasn't an arguement against FVS, it was a stern warning that builds like this take time and not to expect to be standing up front right away or he's going to be sorely disappointed.

[Sequell]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing the fact of a FVS potential. But with a June 2011 forum join date he may be a far cry from being able to properly gear himself out. I don't think people realize sometimes that to make one toon like this viable most have 10 other toons running end game to gear it out with scrolls, shards and seals not to mention the GS investment, number of raids to gather the named items, etc.

It wasn't an arguement against FVS, it was a stern warning that builds like this take time and not to expect to be standing up front right away or he's going to be sorely disappointed.

True, well said. +1 I often forget how long I have been playing this game!

I suppose what doesn't seem like much to me for gear is a far cry from an almost brand new player.

[grodon9999]

Your friend likely did not know what he/she was doing. DOTs are overpowered.

How much skill does it take the throw on a DoT spell, swing your weapon, and heal yourself? I mean, really, how much could he possibly have fouled up?

What's the typical DoT tick for on an FvS and how often?

[Ssmooth]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing the fact of a FVS potential. But with a June 2011 forum join date he may be a far cry from being able to properly gear himself out. I don't think people realize sometimes that to make one toon like this viable most have 10 other toons running end game to gear it out with scrolls, shards and seals not to mention the GS investment, number of raids to gather the named items, etc.

It wasn't an arguement against FVS, it was a stern warning that builds like this take time and not to expect to be standing up front right away or he's going to be sorely disappointed.

100%.

It takes a looong time. I know. http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=249866

[Sequell]

How much skill does it take the throw on a DoT spell, swing your weapon, and heal yourself? I mean, really, how much could he possibly have fouled up?

What's the typical DoT tick for on an FvS and how often?

It isn;t the skill that is the problem, it is the balancing everything out well. I don't melee on my FvS because there is no need as I can get and hold aggro through my DP.

DOT - 1d6 + 1 per caster level + enhancements + potency + max + emp + shield of condemnation which can stack 5 times for 20% more per

Ticks every 2 seconds for 16 seconds and can stack 3 times.

Very powerful spell on a FvS that can hold aggro while keeping himself alive.

[maddmatt70]

How much skill does it take the throw on a DoT spell, swing your weapon, and heal yourself? I mean, really, how much could he possibly have fouled up?

What's the typical DoT tick for on an FvS and how often?

Quite frankly my guess is your friend failed to keep the DOT spell on the target its as simple as that. There is additional gear that your friend should look into specifically brillance 5 clickies that can be crafted unbound now and that I have on both my cleric and FVS and every cleric/fvs should look to acquire.

If you are interested I can supply a link to the haphazard poorly organized shroud speed record attempt run with undergeared players for the most part that I led which took all of 12 minutes and consisted of 8 FVS, 1 bard, 1 cleric, 1 sorc, 1 barbarian. Those consisted of mostly spellcaster oriented FVS.