Are you this cleric?

[LeLoric]

Have you ever done any of the following:

1. See that someone is at 75% hit points and start yelling at them because they are not in your line of sight while they calmly use a heal scroll to top off as you continue to yell at them.

2. Similar to one but you run across the map to where the other person is and after they use the heal scroll you hit them with 4 consecutive spells totalling about 2500 in hp.

3. Hit someone for 5k with a crit heal spell. Then exclaim how awesome you are and that your healing is godliness and has nothing to do with their gear or enhancements. You then continue to hit the same person any time they take dmg with the same heal spell rather than use a cheaper spell that will fill them up just the same.

4. The quest just finished and you're still at the start of the quest yelling for people to gather up so you can buff them.

5. Demand that people follow your instructions the entire quest and that if they don't they will be carried around in your backpack and not get heals. All this while the rest of the group is completing the quest once again.

6. Get bent out of shape because a single almosxt dead mob is beating on you and the tanks are not doing their job keeping them off you so you can do your job healing.

So if you answered yes to any of the above, I suggest you stop worrying about others so much and thinking that their gaming experience revolves around your awesomeness. Pick up a weapon, cast offensive spells, zerg to the end and kill everything with a blade barrier before the rest of the group can. Try to get on the kill count list.

To shorten all this, Stop Being a Nannybot.

[dingal]

I'm the guy in the backpack

[dingal]

On a serious note, healbots are a waste of a party slot. Especially when I'm running my fighter TR. Hurry up and finish the quest already, you're interrupting my piking time.

[Phidius]

Kinda... I don't even bother slotting the single-target Cures once I get Heal.

Considering that I run with Maximize and Empower on, it's cheaper to just use Heal.

[EyeRekon]

I'm the one that says: do as thou wilt unless thou maketh me work hard

Zerg? Fine.
Take on 12:1 mobs? Fine
Self sufficient? Wonderful
Can you stay healthy consistently enough for me to go offense? I love you

Keep dying or slivering yourself & won't accept buffs? Not fine. I'll put a ball-and-chain around your ankle until the quest is over.

The less work you make me have to do, the more I like you.

[Gunga]

Mopthyr.

Pastrami.

Lelo.

[LeLoric]

Mopthyr.

Pastrami.

Lelo.

Genoa Salami, Cappaciola, Smoked mozzarella, lettuce, tomatoes, oil, vinegar, oregano on sourdough pls.

[Koshy11]

Ha ha, valid. All the stated behaviour is quite obvious some left over habit from pre-DDO MMO experience. Let them get used to DDO; in which they will given time or give up on divining.

Either way I think that's a phase within the learning curve. Essentially there are things that DOES need being nannybot, and if someone does like playing a nanny bot, so there's a need for them as newer players eventually work out what's more efficient. No one turns a veteran in one day, nor would they understand things without experiencing it.

I think sir gog has an awesome post about the cleric's learning curve, can't find it anymore with this new class forum layout of total mess. Would be good if someone could dig it up.

+1 on OP of pointing out the obvious over healing habit, it takes you 20 levels and some raids to figure out things don't have over 1K health, it goes up by level and can range from 300s up to 700s at cap.

So over time they will learn to grasp how squishy their minions are after a few hjeals, and manage their sp bars more efficiently between buffs, hjeals, and offensive casting that might involve fowl language.

Red bars don't always have to be full and things are essentially in charge of their own bars, if they don't top themselves up during fights, they either have enough HP for the next encounter or they're going to lick moss,either way if they need your hjealz it would be during fights.

if they die not being in an encounter when you're around, be glad it costs you 1 rez spell instead of 10 hjealz spells to get it back to a full bar.

In the end... Have fun and keep learning, so nice is DDO that we get to make/break our own game, there's more than one way to skin the cat as usual, so lets make some fur coats at the expense of some PETA member's blood pressure.

[xanvar]

Ah let people play how they want to play. If you don't like to hear the cleric be excited about over healing just squelch them. Spend less time thinking about the cleric and more time concentrating on whatever it is that your doing

[Battlehawke]

For those who are reading this and answer yes. Change your playstyle & make sure you give yourself and those who wait around you buffs and heals. NEVER chase someone to buff or heal them. Don't give them **** about it either, because they are either good enough to do it, or too stupid to understand the difference. It's cheaper to just Rez them later......much later....

As the healer you are going to get the blame anyway.....

[transtemporal]

I've heard clerics join a party and demand a 2 pot buy in... for SoS. Was kind of amsuing.

[SirValentine]

You then continue to hit the same person any time they take dmg with the same heal spell rather than use a cheaper spell that will fill them up just the same.

The only cheaper spell takes too long to cast.

So, sorry, if I'm tossing you a single-person heal at all, it's Heal. Even if cost 5 SP more and it's hitting you for 564 on your 400-HP "tank".

[justagame]

Have you ever done any of the following:

1. See that someone is at 75% hit points and start yelling at them because they are not in your line of sight while they calmly use a heal scroll to top off as you continue to yell at them.

2. Similar to one but you run across the map to where the other person is and after they use the heal scroll you hit them with 4 consecutive spells totalling about 2500 in hp.

3. Hit someone for 5k with a crit heal spell. Then exclaim how awesome you are and that your healing is godliness and has nothing to do with their gear or enhancements. You then continue to hit the same person any time they take dmg with the same heal spell rather than use a cheaper spell that will fill them up just the same.

4. The quest just finished and you're still at the start of the quest yelling for people to gather up so you can buff them.

5. Demand that people follow your instructions the entire quest and that if they don't they will be carried around in your backpack and not get heals. All this while the rest of the group is completing the quest once again.

6. Get bent out of shape because a single almosxt dead mob is beating on you and the tanks are not doing their job keeping them off you so you can do your job healing.

So if you answered yes to any of the above, I suggest you stop worrying about others so much and thinking that their gaming experience revolves around your awesomeness. Pick up a weapon, cast offensive spells, zerg to the end and kill everything with a blade barrier before the rest of the group can. Try to get on the kill count list.

To shorten all this, Stop Being a Nannybot.

I agree with the last part about not being a nannybot, but some of your points have nothing to do with being a nanny.

1. I've been playing for 3 years and have never encountered a cleric yelling at someone who's at 75% health, so I wasn't aware this was a problem. As to informing people that are blocked that they are blocked, I will happily stop doing that just as soon as people who run out of LOS stop demanding "HEALZ!" as if I'm not paying attention.

2. Sometimes someone else casts a heal while you're mid-animation. It happens. Doesn't make someone a nanny. If I've hit LOH on my Paladin a split second before getting a heal, if anything I kick myself for not waiting just a bit longer.

3. Many good clerics (particularly the ones who aren't nannies!) run with metas on. Maximize and empower pump up bursts for free, and they make BB especially deadly. They also make the heal spell your most efficient healing option (until the day Turbine implements spell-specific metas). Also, crits happen. When someone is down 150 and I have my metas on, they're getting a heal. If it crits for 1400 or whatever, so be it. I didn't waste any more mana getting the crit.

4. This is an obvious exaggeration for effect. But it's true, some people don't care about buffs. And I'm happy to oblige, as I like fast runs myself -- on one condition: The people that ran off while I was buffing better not ask for DW, freedom, or anything else later. If you ran off before mass DW and get hit with enervation, don't ask me to remove your negs later (excluding beholders of course). Because I'll refuse without feeling bad.

5. This isn't a nannybot you're describing here. This is simply a bad cleric who's developed an ATTITUDE about healing, before learning to become a good cleric.

6. I totally agree with the OP here. It's why I think it's silly not to build some modest melee or offensive capabilities into your build, when the class is well suited to them! You don't have to be a battle cleric to be able to kill stuff, you just have to be a good one. The one exception is the following -- the group that takes off while I'm shrining and aggros the entire dungeon between me and them, without killing anything. I'm not gonna kill myself while harried trying to fight to get to you, I'm probably just going to drop and run with a more considerate group.

Again, I agree that it's a waste to bulid nannybots, or to act like a nannybot except in specific battles that call for it (and there are very few of these). But I'd do without the exaggerated instances, some of which have a reasonable explanation / other side to the story.

[LeLoric]

I agree with the last part about not being a nannybot, but some of your points have nothing to do with being a nanny.

1. I've been playing for 3 years and have never encountered a cleric yelling at someone who's at 75% health, so I wasn't aware this was a problem. As to informing people that are blocked that they are blocked, I will happily stop doing that just as soon as people who run out of LOS stop demanding "HEALZ!" as if I'm not paying attention.

2. Sometimes someone else casts a heal while you're mid-animation. It happens. Doesn't make someone a nanny. If I've hit LOH on my Paladin a split second before getting a heal, if anything I kick myself for not waiting just a bit longer.

3. Many good clerics (particularly the ones who aren't nannies!) run with metas on. Maximize and empower pump up bursts for free, and they make BB especially deadly. They also make the heal spell your most efficient healing option (until the day Turbine implements spell-specific metas). Also, crits happen. When someone is down 150 and I have my metas on, they're getting a heal. If it crits for 1400 or whatever, so be it. I didn't waste any more mana getting the crit.

4. This is an obvious exaggeration for effect. But it's true, some people don't care about buffs. And I'm happy to oblige, as I like fast runs myself -- on one condition: The people that ran off while I was buffing better not ask for DW, freedom, or anything else later. If you ran off before mass DW and get hit with enervation, don't ask me to remove your negs later (excluding beholders of course). Because I'll refuse without feeling bad.

5. This isn't a nannybot you're describing here. This is simply a bad cleric who's developed an ATTITUDE about healing, before learning to become a good cleric.

6. I totally agree with the OP here. It's why I think it's silly not to build some modest melee or offensive capabilities into your build, when the class is well suited to them! You don't have to be a battle cleric to be able to kill stuff, you just have to be a good one. The one exception is the following -- the group that takes off while I'm shrining and aggros the entire dungeon between me and them, without killing anything. I'm not gonna kill myself while harried trying to fight to get to you, I'm probably just going to drop and run with a more considerate group.

Again, I agree that it's a waste to bulid nannybots, or to act like a nannybot except in specific battles that call for it (and there are very few of these). But I'd do without the exaggerated instances, some of which have a reasonable explanation / other side to the story.

Difference between nanybot and healbot.

Heal bots focus mainly on healing and do a good job at it. Not my preference as they could do something else in addition to that healing but that's theor job.

Nannybot plays the game like an overprotective mother and generally slides to this role as they feel it gives them a sense of power over the rest of the group.

I have seen every instance of the ones I listed happen even recently and with people I know have played the game for a long time. As I said it only applies if you answered yes to one of the abive if you haven't then the message wasn't aimed at you.

[justagame]

Difference between nanybot and healbot.

Heal bots focus mainly on healing and do a good job at it. Not my preference as they could do something else in addition to that healing but that's theor job.

Nannybot plays the game like an overprotective mother and generally slides to this role as they feel it gives them a sense of power over the rest of the group.

I have seen every instance of the ones I listed happen even recently and with people I know have played the game for a long time. As I said it only applies if you answered yes to one of the abive if you haven't then the message wasn't aimed at you.

Like I said, I've done both 2 and 3, but I don't think you understand why that happens -- as explained earlier, those things are due to things like timing, meta-driven efficiency, and costless crits -- they have nothing to do with being a healbot.

Along similar lines, #4 and #5, if they're NOT exaggerations, are simply cases of being a bad player.

[LeLoric]

Like I said, I've done both 2 and 3, but I don't think you understand why that happens -- as explained earlier, those things are due to things like timing, meta-driven efficiency, and costless crits -- they have nothing to do with being a healbot.

Along similar lines, #4 and #5, if they're NOT exaggerations, are simply cases of being a bad player.

Youve cast 4 consecutive spells on a player to heal them after they already healed themselves. The first usually works and no reason to cast the three others even if they didnt heal themselves.

Also after seeing you can get a 5k heal on someone continue to cast that same spell on them even when not needed?

4 and 5 yes are mild exaggerations but it still follows the line of someone who is taking his healing job too seriously and is also extremely delusioned to the fact that noone can survive without them being there and as such they should be in charge of every minute aspect of the quest.

[justagame]

Youve cast 4 consecutive spells on a player to heal them after they already healed themselves. The first usually works and no reason to cast the three others even if they didnt heal themselves.

Also after seeing you can get a 5k heal on someone continue to cast that same spell on them even when not needed?

4 and 5 yes are mild exaggerations but it still follows the line of someone who is taking his healing job too seriously and is also extremely delusioned to the fact that noone can survive without them being there and as such they should be in charge of every minute aspect of the quest.

Have I hit someone with a heal a moment after they hit them selves (while I was in animation?) Of course I have.

Have people at full health been hit by my crit bursts or crit mass heals that were needed by others, then complained that I was overhealing THEM? You bet.

Have I once in a while missed while quickly switching targets and inadvertently hit the same guy twice? Sadly, yes.

The effect is the same as what you describe (in an extreme way) in #2 and #3. The perspective is all that's different.

Again, I agree that nannybots (healbots, we may disagree on definitions slightly, but no big deal) are not utilizing the class to the fullest. But the above examples just strike me as a combination of (a) mistaken diagnosis / extremist examples or straw men, (b) new panicky players, or (c) overbearing jerks -- it doesn't necessarily mean "nannybot" to me.

[Oracle_Gil]

I think this is the learning curve?

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...18&postcount=1
I guess its a part of learning curve. But it also depends a lot on group and situations are subjective.
At low levels, I have had whole groups shout at me, call me bad 'healer', when for e.g. they charged at skelly arcane casters and die while I come 5 sec afterwards(as clerics are slow-Yo!) throw radiant burst and kill all skellys. Although I have a thick skin, it may get to many new clerics that it is their fault that some players are shouting at them for their death. So they try to make sure that others dont die with attitude like... "YOU! Stop come here! I dont trust you with your hp bar."
Even when number of such players is few, they are somehow more noticeable which is sad but true.

[uhgungawa]

I'm the cleric that leaves the FB Barb w/ a vicious GreatAxe to fend for himself in PT 1 of the Shroud

*Ding* Silly Barb was killed by Portal

[maddmatt70]

So if you answered yes to any of the above, I suggest you stop worrying about others so much and thinking that their gaming experience revolves around your awesomeness. Pick up a weapon, cast offensive spells, zerg to the end and kill everything with a blade barrier before the rest of the group can. Try to get on the kill count list.

Yeah, sure its great that we all can solo end game quests and we all just solo while in a group setting. The whole party of 6 individuals yeah because that is rich and super fun. Any chance the devs can get their hand off the easy button and make it so a group has to play well as a group instead of 6 individuals because this game is based on D&D. Who the heck is playing on the real test server, but a bunch of soloist elitist anyway. Who gives these devs the advice to make this game about soloing bunch of %^#E^.