Need help making an enjoyable Rogue

[Kinerd]

If you really want a fun rogue that can stay in end fights and dish out the damage try:
Dwarf 13 rog/7barb with something like 18/8/18/14/8/6. Using Thf with GAxe. Its fun, fast,durable,and talented. For feats: Tough, PA, IC Slash, Cleave, Quickdraw, SF UMD, and Improved Evasion for Rogue.

You'll have around 600 HP with Improved Evasion, enough UMD for Heal, Rez, Teleport and many other scrolls and able to use Cure Serious wands. You can go Assassin and Frenzied Berz. Have Max Umd, Bluff, Disable, O Locks, Search, Spot, Haggle, and a little Sneak and Hide or max Jump. With your HP and Improved Evasion you'll be the last one standing in most fights. Vs Trash you'll be ungodly, and vs Boss Mobs w/ FB running, you will be very effective.

You dont worry about AC so much, just guards, because you dish out damage every time something looks your way.

You Only FB when you are with a healer, because you can't scroll then.

This toon runs faster than other rogues (barb speed)

If you want fun, productive, useful, durable...this is it... And oh btw, this Rogue doesnt get declined into groups

I have to disagree on the DPS claims. THF rogues in general suffer, THF rogues with no THF feats are just not going to measure up. Frenzied Berserker is an extremely backloaded PrE, the first rank is not much contribution.

[Battlehawke]

Kinerd. Stop thinking. He wasnt asking for the best DPS. He was asking for a rogue that he can enjoy. I have four level twenty rogues and this is clearly the funnest. Why is it fun? Because it does't require a lot of gear, it can survive the big fights, its got dps, rogue skills and umd. Its fast and enjoyable. He can search the forums all he wants for the best rogue at dps or whatever. This one doesnt die a lot, it isnt feat starved and it works in epic content very well. Im sorry but a rogue with 600 hp with an almost 40 str isnt funny. He wants fun.... Not grind...not dead...fun...and a rogue..

[Evex]

I was under the impression quick draw only worked for ranged weapons. I was wondering what a repeater rogue was, because every time I hear it. I think of a rogue mechanic who uses repeating crossbows.

[MaxwellEdison]

Thats exactly what they are. You get to add your INT modifier to repeating XBow damage.

[EustaceTrevelyan]

My sig has some decent rog advice for a beginner. You have some ideas of your own, and while I can't claim credit for all in that post, anything that's in there (with a few exceptions) is tried and true. good luck!

[crazy7381]

Do a forum search for the Black Lotus very good build IMO

[Evex]

Well after looking and building some of the suggestions I've narrowed it down to these three.


Fighter Rogue
Concept: Rogue acrobat that takes lv of fighter to get greater cleave.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female
(1 Fighter \ 19 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 236
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 15
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    22
Dexterity            14                    18
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    34
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         2                     3
Diplomacy             3                    23
Disable Device        6                    26
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  6                    31
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  3                    32
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently         6                    31
Open Lock             6                    25
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                2                     3
Search                6                    26
Spot                  3                    22
Swim                  7                    11
Tumble                6                    35
Use Magic Device      3                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I


Level 8 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Improved Hide III
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II


Level 11 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III


Level 13 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Improved Hide IV
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently III


Level 14 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently IV


Level 16 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Improved Balance III


Level 17 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III
Enhancement: Improved Tumble III


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Improved Tumble IV


Level 19 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV


Level 20 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV

Iron Rogue
Concept: Acrobat who has the aid of iron companions

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 222
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 17
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    22
Dexterity            14                    20
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    35
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         2                     3
Diplomacy             3                    23
Disable Device        6                    26
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  6                    32
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  7                    34
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently         6                    32
Open Lock             6                    29
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                2                     5
Search                6                    26
Spot                  3                    23
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                6                    35
Use Magic Device      3                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Improved Repair I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II


Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Improved Repair II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Iron Companion
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Enhancement: Steel Companion
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Mithral Companion


Level 11 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Adamantine Companion
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Improved Hide III


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently III


Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Cheat Death

Quarter Repeating
Concept: Rogue mechanic who uses quarter staff and repeating crossbow

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Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 222
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 17
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    20
Dexterity            17                    20
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         12                    12
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             10                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                    23
Bluff                 0                     1
Concentration         2                     3
Diplomacy             4                    23
Disable Device        5                    33
Haggle                0                     1
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  7                    33
Intimidate            0                     1
Jump                  4                    12
Listen               -1                     2
Move Silently         7                    33
Open Lock             7                    37
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     6
Search                5                    31
Spot                  3                    29
Swim                  2                     6
Tumble                n/a                   7
Use Magic Device      4                    24

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I
Enhancement: Improved Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Acid Trap Lore I
Enhancement: Rogue Cold Trap Lore I
Enhancement: Rogue Electric Trap Lore I
Enhancement: Rogue Fire Trap Lore I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device II
Enhancement: Improved Open Lock II


Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Enhancement: Rogue Mechanic I


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Iron Companion
Enhancement: Steel Companion


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot
Enhancement: Mithral Companion
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device III


Level 11 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Improved Open Lock III


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
Enhancement: Adamantine Companion
Enhancement: Rogue Mechanic II


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Improved Hide II


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
Enhancement: Improved Hide III


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III
Enhancement: Improved Hide IV
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently III


Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device IV
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently IV
Enhancement: Improved Open Lock IV


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Cheat Death
Enhancement: Rogue Sonic Trap Lore I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I

[Kinerd]

Kinerd. Stop thinking. He wasnt asking for the best DPS. He was asking for a rogue that he can enjoy. I have four level twenty rogues and this is clearly the funnest. Why is it fun? Because it does't require a lot of gear, it can survive the big fights, its got dps, rogue skills and umd. Its fast and enjoyable. He can search the forums all he wants for the best rogue at dps or whatever. This one doesnt die a lot, it isnt feat starved and it works in epic content very well. Im sorry but a rogue with 600 hp with an almost 40 str isnt funny. He wants fun.... Not grind...not dead...fun...and a rogue..

I'm not saying he has to make a max DPS build, I'm just saying that "ungodly" and "very effective" are not how I would describe that build's DPS. I would describe it as around 60% of the max DPS build's.

Evex, I think you would be doing yourself a huge disservice to trade the capstone for Great Cleave.

[Evex]

I can see what you mean kinerd. I'm currently using a test build before I decide on which of the three to go with. Currently I'm at level 2 with 1 level of rogue and one level of fighter. This is mainly just to test out cleave and see if I actually like it. From what I can cleave hits everything in a 180 degree arc that is from the right to left side of your character. It only seems useful if you attract aggro from a group of weak enemies, or to perform sneak attack on multiple enemies surrounding the tank. My guess is great cleave would hit every thing a full 360 degrees around the character, which is pointless to have on a rogue since a rogue in a party should never have enemies behind them.

I still have to test the iron defenders to see, if they are worth the enhancement points, and I still need to figure out if the feat space is worth it in order to use the repeating crossbow in my quarter repeating build. I did notice that despite the mechanic feat saying that you were proficient in light repeater crossbows there seems to be no proficiency feat for it under the acquired feats list. I'm wondering if the build requires another feat just for the light repeating crossbow proficiency.