Rangers who don't heal themselves

[Alanim]

I've noticed a recent trend of Rangers running around quests almost dead with 80% of their mana left and it just makes me wonder "why". You CAN heal yourself, hell you can do it pretty well, and the healer saves mana. Dying and then rebuffing will costs 5 times more mana then you'd use healing yourself. Hell our healing spells are now twice as cheap, I myself rarely run out of mana even while doing all my own heals.

I've seen quests where the ranger will be at 10% health for 30+ seconds while we get to the encounter where he just doesn't heal himself(The healer was empty on mana).

We're a versatile class, don't limit yourself by not healing yourself, because the heal spells that you're neglecting is what gives ranger their survivability.

[uhgungawa]

Most (and I do stress most) non Pew Pew rangers do no focus on healing. Hell, most of them get more HP back from chugging a pot. While I do believe all players should do what they can, when they can, in the mist of a fight it tends not to work so well.

[k1ngp1n]

Most (and I do stress most) non Pew Pew rangers do no focus on healing.

To their own detriment. A tempest ranger with maximize and a torc is a powerful thing.

[k1ngp1n]

To their own detriment. A tempest ranger with maximize and a torc is a powerful thing.

I am curious how this earned neg rep. :/

Oh well.

[Jaid314]

I am curious how this earned neg rep. :/

Oh well.

my guess: it's "caster loot" you dirty, dirty person! shame on you for "taking" an item that will proc all the time for you from a class that can easily avoid getting hit 90% of the time and already has enough SP to last them through anything provided they don't throw it all away!

[NaturalHazard]

my guess: it's "caster loot" you dirty, dirty person! shame on you for "taking" an item that will proc all the time for you from a class that can easily avoid getting hit 90% of the time and already has enough SP to last them through anything provided they don't throw it all away!

im also guessing this person is also butt hurt when he saw some class who he thought didnt deserve the torc like some ranger/paladin or even bard pull the torc, and not put it up for roll.

[k1ngp1n]

my guess: it's "caster loot" you dirty, dirty person! shame on you for "taking" an item that will proc all the time for you from a class that can easily avoid getting hit 90% of the time and already has enough SP to last them through anything provided they don't throw it all away!

Especially since I handed off the torc I pulled early and waited til my 20th to take it for myself. Oh the horror!

[NaturalHazard]

I am curious how this earned neg rep. :/

Oh well.

well if my ranger ever pulls the torc hes keeping it. didnt get it on my 20th or 40th .

[Krago]

Rangers dont have to have the spell, but they do get access to wands.

[Alanim]

Rangers dont have to have the spell, but they do get access to wands.

I'm talking 20th level rangers, and the likes, Rangers have 4 spell slots and 4 spells, They SHOULD have CSW on their hot bar. Hell even 18/2 splashes should still have it, since the other two spells are either a very low level summon or longstrider mass(pretty much useless).

Most (and I do stress most) non Pew Pew rangers do no focus on healing. Hell, most of them get more HP back from chugging a pot. While I do believe all players should do what they can, when they can, in the mist of a fight it tends not to work so well.

This is not true rangers do get more from healing with a pot. Also I'm talking about the time between fights aswell where you SHOULD be healing yourself(I wouldn't even blame a healer for not healing a ranger when no enemies are around, long as they have mana).

Also as said below even with a mediocre item for healing I can heal in 70-100's consistently, and often do spot heals on party members, or just flat out heal them when no cleric is around.

[efreet5]

What are they doing with those aps that's more beneficial than staying alive?

If you have built in heals, then you should use em. It's not even hard to do these days with healing amp around. My ranger runs around with a set of dt (10%/20% amp) and a 30% dream edge. Used in conjunction with some Tokala's and the other Amrath belt, I'm always able to heal myself (over a 100pts at a time).

Sure, it's less efficient than being healed by the cleric, but it is better than dying. As for the not as good as quaffing a potion...just by using a potency item and no enhancements it's still better to cast the friggin cure serious spell as the potion isn't a max caster level cure serious (lvl15). Whether in a fight or not, it's always better to be alive than dead.

[uhgungawa]

If you have built in heals, then you should use em. It's not even hard to do these days with healing amp around. My ranger runs around with a set of dt (10%/20% amp) and a 30% dream edge. Used in conjunction with some Tokala's and the other Amrath belt, I'm always able to heal myself (over a 100pts at a time).

So do you run around in that *COUGH* uber *COUGH* gear, or do you swap into it in mid fight

I too will pull you a potency item between fights, but not in the middle of one if I can help it. Tend to make thing worse if you're swapping gear in mid fight. And healing amp will work for pots as well.

[Alanim]

So do you run around in that *COUGH* uber *COUGH* gear, or do you swap into it in mid fight

I too will pull you a potency item between fights, but not in the middle of one if I can help it. Tend to make thing worse if you're swapping gear in mid fight. And healing amp will work for pots as well.

There is a point where pulling out of a fight to catch heals should be done and can help save a party from a wipe. there has been many times where the healer has been surrounded and I've had to help keep them alive, and yes I use swap in gear to heal.

[Kominalito]

My ranger runs around with a set of dt (10%/20% amp) and a 30% dream edge. Used in conjunction with some Tokala's and the other Amrath belt, I'm always able to heal myself (over a 100pts at a time).

yes. every ranger should be equipped with a set of DT and a 30% dream edge, or be cast out of a group like a hobo in the hilton.

BEGONE.



fwiw, i have a ranger with a superior dev shield when i need a cure. unfortunately, most people in my party are generally more concerned with resists/FOM/poison than if i heal myself. so my blue bar is more valuable to the party as buffs than to use it all on a few cmw. if there is a healer in the group it costs less for them to get me to max hp than it does for me.

[FrozenNova]

fwiw, i have a ranger with a superior dev shield when i need a cure. unfortunately, most people in my party are generally more concerned with resists/FOM/poison than if i heal myself. so my blue bar is more valuable to the party as buffs than to use it all on a few cmw. if there is a healer in the group it costs less for them to get me to max hp than it does for me.

Use ardor clickies.
Bigger boost, no slot waste.

[QuantumFX]

fwiw, i have a ranger with a superior dev shield when i need a cure. unfortunately, most people in my party are generally more concerned with resists/FOM/poison than if i heal myself. so my blue bar is more valuable to the party as buffs than to use it all on a few cmw. if there is a healer in the group it costs less for them to get me to max hp than it does for me.

You’re actually ahead of a lot of rangers in that regard. I was always into defensive buffs and helping the party healer when I had the SP available. But, it was really brought home to me how much of a difference it can make when I rolled a cleric. (I had a level 11 ranger that wouldn’t back up my level 10 cleric when I asked him to do resists and I would DV him for the trouble.)

[Alanim]

You’re actually ahead of a lot of rangers in that regard. I was always into defensive buffs and helping the party healer when I had the SP available. But, it was really brought home to me how much of a difference it can make when I rolled a cleric. (I had a level 11 ranger that wouldn’t back up my level 10 cleric when I asked him to do resists and I would DV him for the trouble.)

On the buffing side of things I use a Archmagi Belt when I shrine, allowing me to buff myself fully with 40 extra SP to spare, without losing any of my actual SP, and I always buff anything that the healers ask me to, Normally that's FoM/Elemental Resistance. If I need to, I can and do expend all my mana on buffing, but some rangers won't do that.

[FrozenNova]

Your typical tempest ranger will take a splash of fighter or monk level(s).
Feats with 1 bonus:
toughness
power attack
imp crit
dodge
mobility
spring attack
otwf
khopesh

So to fit both maximize and quicken in, you'll need to be 18/2 fighter or monk human. This is "focusing on healing".
However, you can drop either of those (preferably maximize - it's inefficient now csw is cheaper) and still heal yourself just fine. Invest in amp and get your torc and conc opp.
The entire appeal of a melee ranger over a fighter is the self sufficiency, and self healing is a massive part of that.

You can use ardor clickies to provide a 75% boost without taking up a gear slot. Works fine.

[FlyingTurtle]

where the ranger will be at 10% health for 30+ seconds while we get to the encounter

Really it's not just a ranger thing, nobody of any class should be running towards the next encounter with 10% health. If your healer doesn't want to top you up, you should stand there and chug pots until everyone gets bored, or leaves you behind. Much better than getting dead.

[Bodic]

Empower Heal(min lvl8) works just fine and is cheaper on a Ranger IF you can fit it same goes for some sort of Healing Amp, Torc, or Con-Op item IF you can fit them.

The best at healing are the AA Halfings a majority of them take the marks as do all in my Guild, but you rarely see them outside an occasional pug raid so they are not your average puggers they are solo-artists.

Tempest is an all together different monster. they have little to no SP to begin with.

Shall we call out the Pally that doenst use there LoH and Cure spells as often also, or is this a ranger only bashing thread?