bad dps.

[erikbozelie]

okay ive been looking into melee for quit abit of late. and i have questions about this topic.

melee wise 250dps(damage per second). for an example is acceptable right?
some barbs and roques can gain double. i know but lets stick with 250 for now.

250dps * 60 = 15000 per minute.

so for target for example suulumades from vod normal. which has 150k hit points according to the wiki.

it takes 10 min to beat him down to 0 hp. if 1 somewhat acverage backup melee toon is beating on him.
or 1 min if you got 10 of those.

so with 10 barbs, roques. and high dps toons, he should be going down in 30 sec!.

so my question is now.
is the hit points correct of suulumades? or are the melee members i pug with extremely gimped?

Your comments would be apriciated.

PS. i know he has fortification against crits. thats why i took 250 as an example.

[Bufo_Alvarius]

Dont forget the orthons and the trash. Dpsing him down in 30 sec would spawn everything at once. Not to mention Suulos time on the pedestal.

[Chai]

Suulomades is not a continuous beatdown. For a while during that raid hes on his pedistal or flying around. If it was simply tank and spank that raid would be a much faster run.

[grodon9999]

Suulomades is not a continuous beatdown. For a while during that raid hes on his pedistal or flying around. If it was simply tank and spank that raid would be a much faster run.

he is in Tower.

he has 300k HP on Elite. Our good DPSers can get him in 8 haste-boosts (approx 4 minutes).

let's say we have two healers not hitting, a caster on othons, a tank and light-monkey on horoth (we always bring a lite monk, some other other strategies). That leaves 7 apes beating down sulu.


300,000/4 minutes = 75000 Damage per minute. That only works out to about 190 DPS per person while really SUCKS! Either that HP count is un-accurate or people don't do as much damage as they think

[Kinerd]

I wonder if he has Fast Healing or some other form of continuous regeneration? Edited to remove some very bad math, but the question stands.

[Shade]

Dont forget the orthons and the trash. Dpsing him down in 30 sec would spawn everything at once. Not to mention Suulos time on the pedestal.

Nah it doesn't, well most of it spawns, but some of it is on a timer. We DPS'd him down from 100 to 75% or whatever it is for when he goes up to the pedestal in our 7 min elite speedrun in under 30 seconds. Orthons were down in under 10 seconds.

He stays up there for like 5 min (well with a short jump down inbetween), so we basically cleared his entire 350,000HP bar in under 2 minutes.

Was fast enough that we killed him, then the orthons and devils.. Then looted, then a minute later we had another wave of devil still spawning lol.

350,000 in ~2 min = ~2900 group DPS. Pretty solid, but I think we can do better =)

And that was khybers best of the best melee dps.. With 9 melee .. So it's essentially around 300DPS per melee (and the caster/bard contributing whats left over).. So if you can manage 250 dps vs sulo, your doing insanely awesome =)

Sulo dps is ofcourse much lower then average trash dps, since he has 50% fort and high DR.

re: Kinerd: Suulomades like all horned devils has zero regeneration.

[Shade]

he is in Tower.

he has 300k HP on Elite. Our good DPSers can get him in 8 haste-boosts (approx 4 minutes).

let's say we have two healers not hitting, a caster on othons, a tank and light-monkey on horoth (we always bring a lite monk, some other other strategies). That leaves 7 apes beating down sulu.


300,000/4 minutes = 75000 Damage per minute. That only works out to about 190 DPS per person while really SUCKS! Either that HP count is un-accurate or people don't do as much damage as they think

ya sorry your "good dps" don't do what they think they do heh.

Took him down in tower elite roughly 2 minutes a few times, and that was without my contribution.. I always tank horoth.

But really 190 dps vs a 50% fort target is actually fine. The 300+ that the paper math says is just theoretically nonsense that very few players actaully ever really hit. See my dps challenge for proofs, even top builds are only around 400DPS vs 0% fort, taht easily drops to 300 for 50%.. So average players rarely hit that.

[DragonTroy]

also take into account that you cannot continuously sit there hitting him, because he will be hitting you with curses, which you then have to stop the attack chain to chug down a curse pot. that is going to slow you down somewhat

[Shade]

also take into account that you cannot continuously sit there hitting him, because he will be hitting you with curses, which you then have to stop the attack chain to chug down a curse pot. that is going to slow you down somewhat

eh not neccasrily. We solved that issue by setting the bard/clr/sorc to curse duty, the bard was aimed at the top couple DPS who generally had agro, who stood on 1 side, while the cleric/sorc tossed out break enchantments when the curses got too much to handle for just the bard.

Since curse pots works on other players, and break enchantmetns are fairly effective (tho I believe there is moderately hard caster lvl check on elite, so scrolls aren't particluarly good for it), you can indeed keep your high dps melee swinging.

I mean there was a time.. years infact.. When barbarians simply could not drink curse potions. Period. We still beat the raid just fine (with lots of if not solely barbarian melee) doing it the old fashion way of lettings the support classes deal with it.