Greensteel Deconstruction

[Nezichiend]

I know its been asked for about 100 times, but I have not seen a thread recently. With all the new crafting coming out, don't you think that there should be greensteel deconstruction? I know I have about 7 or so greensteel items that I don't use (including 2 litIIs). And I am sure that some people have many more useless greensteel than I do.

There are obviously many ways to go about deconstructing greensteel items. I'll list some options here that I just thought of for the community to discuss. As well the devs can read this thread to get some ideas if they hopefully decide to implement this wonderful merciful idea.

1. You get the shards (all tiers) back from an item when you deconstruct it. The greensteel item is destroyed.
This would help if you want to change which slot you want an item on. For example, I made a LitII bastard sword (because those are the best), but I just decided I want to change to THF. I could take the LitII shard off my khopesh and put it on a greataxe.


2. You can deconstruct shards further to get some/all of the ingredients back.
If you made an item that you no longer need, you can deconstruct it to get the shards back and then further deconstruct the shards to get some ingredients to craft a new item. Some ingredients could be lost in the process.

3. You deconstruct the item to just get a portion of the ingredients back, without getting the shard back. The item is destroyed.
I don't like this idea, but if it is easier to implement, I'm all for it. Something is far better than nothing.

Another topic of discussion would be what is required to deconstruct an item? Do you need an item that drops out of part 5 to deconstruct something? Would it require crafting levels to do (not too high level hopefully)? Do you need a deconstructer from part 4/5 to remove tier 3, a deconstructer from part 3 to remove tier 2 and a deconstructer from part 1 to remove tier 1?

Discuss

[Khanyth]

Your put the GS item, a shard of deconstruction, and some siberies shards.

And you get 1 large mat back that is random.

[Nezichiend]

Your put the GS item, a shard of deconstruction, and some siberies shards.

And you get 1 large mat back that is random.

How about 3

[slothinator]

I would like to be able to decon the item back to a GS blank and start over. I don't mind grinding shroud for s/m/l ingredients, but I hate running the 5 flags for shavarath stones and gathering funks, pebbles, and so forth. Especially since I'm one of the many with a worthless GS item in their bank because I can't follow simple instructions.

[Cabronsisimo]

Well it seems viable to implement all sugestions so far presented, since canith crafting is made to get just that
- Essences -> Materials on random quality including all 3 stages
- blanks -> the base green item
- +enhancement -> maybe the base stuff like funks or petals

So yeah i would like it very much too.

[Battlehawke]

People are always screwing up construction, toons are broken with nerfs and rule changes, and TR's jappen. This wpuld be a great idea, and Turbine could even make money off of it...

[Dispel]

Better question: How do you think Green Steel Deconstruction should work?

[Nezichiend]

People are always screwing up construction, toons are broken with nerfs and rule changes, and TR's jappen. This wpuld be a great idea, and Turbine could even make money off of it...

Just the other day my friend was making his first double T3 item, it was a lightning strike. So he crafts both of the shards, then puts the positive shard on his item, wreaking it. That sorta prompted me to post this. The system is just so unforgiving, 1 screw up and you could waste a whole item and 3 large scales. Even something to undo a previous craft would be ok.

EDIT:
I am sure if they add in a rare greensteel deconstruct item in part5, but also sold it in the store sales would be through the roof.

[vVAnjilaVv]

I don't even care about deconstruction as much as I really would like the ability to crunch my excess ingredients into something more useful...like making a Large Devil Scale with 3 Large Gnawed Bones.

The ingredients needed to make items is grossly unbalanced so you're left sitting with tons of Chains and Bones while your completely out of LDS....it's pretty lame.

Also give us the option to crunch GS blank mats into others as well.

I cannot stand needing one Pebble or Funk...ransacking Dust or Rainbow and getting all Twigs and Husks instead. True story, it happens.

Very lame...change this and GS and Shroud will get a huge renewal in interest.

And don't get me started on GS should not be easy to get.....with what I mentioned above it would still be plenty of a grind to get a fully upgraded Dual Shard GS not to mention for wear of multiple items you still have to get 20th's for the cleansing stone.

I personally think GS is way more of an annoying grind than the new Crafting System. You make one master crafter when you hit crafting cap you're there, it's yours and you just need essences which are not incredibly hard to get. You want a GS, each item requires a way more daunting grind and the complete unbalance of mats you end up with is just a slap in the face.

[Dispel]

I am SOOO upset! /signed completely!

Okay here is my story:

I made a +3 Exceptional Constitution GS item, right? I could have made it a Conc Op too! UGH!

I wish I could deconstruct it instead of making another one.. that one is wasted.

[soulaeon]

The developers have suggested they could be doing this in the future, already.
Something should be lost in the process for sure.

[Doomcrew]

This topic comes up fairly often, and I always find myself asking the
same question.

What other raid loot do we get a "do over" with?

I have GS that was incorrectly crafted. I have poorly chosen the slot
placement for GS items.

Many folk want to scrap their GS because new items have been added
to the game for a paticular slot. The argument of resources and time
spent acquiring the materials shouldn't be demeaned by utilizing new items.

But, this could be said for almost any other piece of raid loot one farms.

Would GS decon clean up some of my mistakes, sure it would. The question
is, why?

just my thoughts on the matter.

[Zzevel]

maybe break them down into shards and a greensteel husk vs breaking it all the way back down into base sm/md/lg ingredients. This way you dont get all the benefit back when you recraft, but in the long run might still be able to get some use out of your original ingredients...

The husk would be a lesser version of the greensteel blank (maybe the extra base dmg is removed) but could still have shards applied to it. Or even useable as a boosted blank in the new crafting.

[Danmor]

There have been one or two dev posts in the last year that basically said "Deconstruction of Greensteel items will never happen"

They didn't give reasons, but there are more than enough reasons for it. And considering how powerful GS items still are, they really don't need to make optimizing them any easier.

[steelblueskies]

raid loot do over.

you can overwrite prefix/suffix/enhancement bonus level without restarting totally from scratch with cannith crafting.

you can redo epic augment slots.

if items get changed theres usually a change item to new version recipe.

dragontouched can have specific tiers overwritten without needing to regrind the base armor and all three rune tiers.

stone of change rituals can be overwritten.

but.
tod rings incredible potential, and greensteel can't be overwritten or broken down, or reset?
the heck?


next up @ danmor. you are the second person to say this in regards to this issue, in the last two months.
neither the other fellow or you have been able to provide evidence.
granted the only evidence proponents of "the devs have promised it" typically provide is the kate paiz interview from years ago. provide evidence or get neg rep for bad information.

[Buggss]

...What other raid loot do we get a "do over" with?....

As was said several bits do, althought epic gear is only 1/2 raid gear. scrolls and seals appear elsewhere and the attachments are very re-able, much moreso than anyone's asking for GS to be.

How about 3

How about 2 of each size considering you use several more than that whilsy crafting.

The developers have suggested they could be doing this in the future, already.
Something should be lost in the process for sure.

More than just the developers, as I've said before Kate Paiz (in front of a couple dozen people) at Connect '08 in Birmingham said outright that it was definately in the works and they were aware how seriously (gaming-seriously of course) players and Turbine were taking it.

Better question: How do you think Green Steel Deconstruction should work?

Now you've asked....

Personally I think some of the most popular recipes should be altered to spread out the value of the various ingredients. The game economy should revolve around plat not LDS aas it was meant to and this would go someway to doing that. I've got 4 min2 khops and several pieces of equipment on the go and wouldn't have a problem with others having a slightly easier time of making some in the future now min2 has lost some of its value with the new crafting.

I'd also VERY much like to see a check box for every GS item crafted. If I ever see "wtt GS greater xbow for GS rapier or khopesh" again it'll be way too soon!

Something like the crafting boxes used for Sora Kel or the new crafting in K would work well, adding ings to a recipe box as needed so you know exactly what you're working towards. This isn't an easy button and surely everyone doesn't want GS blank swap lfms either...

[Maxson]

I'd quite happily deconstruct now useless greensteel into a reasonable amount of greater essences (say 15 of the type per tier level, so my Concordant disposition I goggles I no longer wear would be 15 greater good and 30 greater evil essences, or whatever they are, I forget) instead of large ingredients or whatever.