Warforged Wizard No Insightful Reflex?

[Jeargroth]

Ok, I need help. I have been looking all over for a decent Pure Wiz build. I was planning on WF wizzy as I like the self sufficiency of them. However, I see guides all over saying Take insightful Reflexes so you can Dump stat your Dex, but can't seem to find a WF build that takes it. So is it a human only feat as the build is starved or just not useful?

[Ngha]

Anyone can take the feat.

Wizards are not feat starved.

Its next to useless unless you have evasion, which is why most pure builds don't have it. builds that do take it splash 2 rogue.

[stille_nacht]

insightful reflexes is still a great damage mitigator (difference between ding! and about half your hp going away from an epic fireball or perhaps a meteor swarm).

Wouldnt rate it as super important if you dont have a 2 rog splash, but if there arent any other obviously useful feats, its a solid one to take

[Der_Incubo]

Ok, I need help. I have been looking all over for a decent Pure Wiz build. I was planning on WF wizzy as I like the self sufficiency of them. However, I see guides all over saying Take insightful Reflexes so you can Dump stat your Dex, but can't seem to find a WF build that takes it. So is it a human only feat as the build is starved or just not useful?

I'd say that since a WF can self heal that they dont need it (my wiz doesnt have it, and i have never though "gee, sure wish i had insightfull reflexes instead of max/empower/toughness/heighten/quicken/etc..")

This is assuming you don't dump con and have enough HP to survive long enough to repair yerself..

[Jeargroth]

Nah Con never ever Dumped always have min of 14 con even on a Elf toon. Running 16 con now thinking take it to 18?

[Indoran]

dont take the feat and dump dex... get hp and spells to protect you

[aristarchus1000]

I honestly surprised by the response here. I love insightful reflexes on a pure wf wiz. In epics you are often kiting or holding a lot of aggro, and spells are generally the hardest thing to dodge, and big shots of damage on failed saves (350+ damage) are one of the few real threats.

Epic Cometfalls also suck wthout insightful reflexes.

Probably not needed for normal questing though.

[Khellendros13]

I honestly surprised by the response here. I love insightful reflexes on a pure wf wiz. In epics you are often kiting or holding a lot of aggro, and spells are generally the hardest thing to dodge, and big shots of damage on failed saves (350+ damage) are one of the few real threats.

Epic Cometfalls also suck wthout insightful reflexes.

Probably not needed for normal questing though.

Agreed.

I will place bets that if you asked the Wizards that die often if they have IR, the answer would be no.

People forget that for a lot of things (DC's, saves, UMD) 1pt usually = 5%.

My survivability with a 34 ref save vs sub20 is so much better that dropping toughness and running around with 500hp instead of 600hp is better. It takes 3 Epic Abishai to kill me. Without IR, 1 will kill you.

Just drop extend for it. Easy. Done.

[Moltier]

I honestly surprised by the response here. I love insightful reflexes on a pure wf wiz. In epics you are often kiting or holding a lot of aggro, and spells are generally the hardest thing to dodge, and big shots of damage on failed saves (350+ damage) are one of the few real threats.

Epic Cometfalls also suck wthout insightful reflexes.

Probably not needed for normal questing though.

Im surprised too. I guess they never tried it. Just drop one spell focus feat for it, and you will laugh at the enemy spells. 1DC vs 40+reflex self buffed. Evasion is good, but you can self heal those small damages. You cant selfheal if you are dead from a quick fireball-chain lightning combo, because both saves failed.

[Khellendros13]

Im surprised too. I guess they never tried it. Just drop one spell focus feat for it, and you will laugh at the enemy spells. 1DC vs 40+reflex self buffed. Evasion is good, but you can self heal those small damages. You cant selfheal if you are dead from a quick fireball-chain lightning combo, because both saves failed.

No need to lose DC...drop extend

[Franke]

With 12 selectable feats you can take Insightful Reflexes, and still do what you need to do with the rest. Personally I like it, as it mitigates damage very well.

[sirgog]

If I had to choose between Toughness and Insightful Reflexes, I'd take IR at present endgame.

There is a huge difference between Epic Delayed Blast Fireballs almost always hitting for 170 and almost always hitting for 70.

And it's even more important in eChronoscope, where IR is the difference between Abashai killing you with two spells unless you roll a 20, and not being able to kill you with four spells unless you roll a 1.

No need to lose DC...drop extend

You can drop a less-important spell focus feat. IMO a Wizard min-maxxed for current endgame should take both Necromancy focus feats, plus some extra feats in Conjuration Focus or Enchantment Focus. One of the latter two schools can take a minor hit for IR.

[pHo3nix]

A must have on a wf wiz imo, even without evasion. Taking half dmg let you self repair easily, taking full damage can sometimes oneshot you. If you are AM just drop extend

[Mrmorphling]

A must in my opinion, as Sirgog mentioned is a life saver vs Abishai and, in general, extremely usefull at mitigating the huge burst of dmg that usually comes attached to a spell with a reflex save