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  1. 06-22-2011, 08:12 PM #1
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    Default LockStock - Hate Tank

    Good HP, Saves and DPS
    Monk levels taken just for free feats and evasion

    HP:
    486 from planner
    10 GH Favor
    60 +6 CON item
    30 GFL
    45 Shroud HP item
    20 Minos Legens
    ---
    651 Before Buffs

    No stellar Intim: 23 Ranks + 4 StD + 2 CHA + 15 Item +3 (+6 CHA item) = 47 so probably no epic intimidations
    No effort chasing AC - just Good Saves, Evasion, Shield Block (25%), and DR
    Hate from Orc Brute (25%) and either DoS Stance (25%) or Divine Righteousness (100%)
    Any 2 handed Slash for DPS - BSword for sword and board

    Comments appreciated

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Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Orc Male
(12 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 2 Monk) 
Hit Points: 486
Spell Points: 50 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 25
Reflex: 13
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    26
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         18                    20
Intelligence          6                     8
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             12                    14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Shield Mastery


Level 7 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Kensei Bastard Sword Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Bastard Sword Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Bastard Sword Specialization I
Enhancement: Orcish Brute Fighting I
Enhancement: Orcish Brute Fighting II
Enhancement: Orcish Brute Fighting III
Enhancement: Orcish Brute Fighting IV
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost II
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack III
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude I
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude II
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV
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  2. 06-22-2011, 10:00 PM #2
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    With the same class split, I went a bit differently on my Shield for hire. The basic idea was to be able to switch between Kensei II/DoS I and SD II/HotD I to facilitate leveling and/or to adapt to the equipment I could obtain.
    The main difference with your build is that I have significantly less HP (I end up with 623 w/ stance and yugo pot), but with AC (not exceptional but functional: 79 as a SD II/HotD I) and Intimidate (70 with the same configuration). AC is helpful on survivability and intimidate helps a lot on threat generation when using a shield (I end up with 330% threat generation on the SD II/HotD I configuration).
    While ignoring, you should try to aim the required Intimidate, at least for elite ToD and VoD (epic Lailat is a lot higher and would require much more dedication to reach).
    That being, your new build is much more appealing than the previous one
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  3. 06-23-2011, 10:42 AM #3
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    Any suggestions for improvement?
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  4. 06-23-2011, 01:51 PM #4
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    Agreed with above - you need to try for some Intimatdate

    Minor suggestions - Improved Shield Mastery it hardely seems worth the feat for the 5% more... cleave or other?

    I would also take the Shield Mastery much earlier - it will be nice to have while leveling up.

    It is hard to find the "right" balance between HP and DPS for tanks....
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  5. 06-23-2011, 02:57 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldAquarian View Post
    No real Intim or AC - just Evasion, Shield Block (25%), and DR
    Why no Intim - what else are you spending your skill pts on?
    DoS Stance + Divine Righteousness for extra Hate
    IIRC, these do not stack, but SD stance will stack with Divine Righteousness.
    Paladin Divine Light I
    I presume this is supposed to be Divine Might. What a difference one letter makes, eh?

    If this is purely a hate-tank, why not go HO or WF for Brute Fighting?
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  6. 06-24-2011, 12:53 AM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Why no Intim - what else are you spending your skill pts on?
    I meant it won't be stellar

    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    IIRC, these do not stack, but SD stance will stack with Divine Righteousness.
    Heard the same: + meant 'or'

    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    I presume this is supposed to be Divine Might. What a difference one letter makes, eh?
    Nope Light with the 'L' - DM competes with DR for turns and its only at the +2 level

    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    If this is purely a hate-tank, why not go HO or WF for Brute Fighting?
    Tried HO - Lost like 50 HP - gained hate and some dps and even more action boosts - and it seems there are better Bswords than Daxes

    Post that he was refering to with Dwarf for reference:

    Code:
    Good HP, Saves and DPS
Monk levels taken just for free feats and evasion

HP:
533 from planner
10 GH Favor
60 +6 CON item
30 GFL
45 Shroud HP item
20 Minos Legens
---
698 Before Buffs

No real Intim or AC - just Evasion, Shield Block (25%), and DR
DoS Stance + Divine Righteousness for extra Hate

Gaxe for DPS - Daxe for sword and board

Comments appreciated

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.8.2
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LockStock and Barrel
Level 20 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(12 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 2 Monk) 
Hit Points: 533
Spell Points: 45 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 26
Reflex: 13
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             17                    26
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         19                    22
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             12                    14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Mastery
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack II
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Shield Mastery I
Enhancement: Dwarven Shield Mastery II
Enhancement: Dwarven Shield Mastery III
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Light I
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  7. 06-27-2011, 08:54 PM #7
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    Thoughts on the latest version (in OP)
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