Are there any kids in group??

[baddax]

Recently i was in a group that was involved in a rather "Adult" conversation. About half way through the quest, a high squeeky voice pops in and says something, forget what.Long story short our fighter happened to be a kid! I dont know maybe 12 or so. Needless to say the group got rarher quiet after that.

Now my kids both play DDO and have for a while. They are not kids anymore but i know that i have been in groups and heard things said that imo would not appropriate to say around 12 year old.

This incident and a few others, one that comes to mind was the pervert that was posting lfm saying looking for youg boys or something to that effect. Got me to thinking about an Adults only server. I have seen a few suggestions about adding another server and such and would think that an adult only server would be great.

I have to admit that there is another reason i would be like an adults only server. I remember along time ago having a discussion about more realistic graphics and such like vorpals really chopping off heads and such. I believe ddo moade some changes shortly after the initial launch to tone down some of the graphics. Now im not a blood and gore person but i would like for ddo to be able to develope more content like the newer quests and not have to always worry about the PG rating, lor whatever it happens to be.
Thoughts,ideas? discuss.

[Grenada]

As far as graphics go, look up many of the 'T' rated games for consoles, and tell me DDO is 'T' (its almost to the point of being 'E10+').
A bit of blood is now acceptable in many 'T' games for consoles, so DDO wouldn't even need a new server to add a bit to the graphics.

As far as chat goes, you could always just put "adults only" on the lfm, or warn people the chat may not be appropriate for younger players in some other manner.

[Blank_Zero]

There are faaaaaaarr too many kids ages 8-13 playing Halo and seeing R rated movies as it is.

I say let DDO become a rated M game and go nuts with the graphics. If I wanted to play a cartoon, I'd play Warcraft.

[Teen]

Recently i was in a group that was involved in a rather "Adult" conversation. About half way through the quest, a high squeeky voice pops in and says something, forget what.Long story short our fighter happened to be a kid! I dont know maybe 12 or so. Needless to say the group got rarher quiet after that.

Now my kids both play DDO and have for a while. They are not kids anymore but i know that i have been in groups and heard things said that imo would not appropriate to say around 12 year old.

This incident and a few others, one that comes to mind was the pervert that was posting lfm saying looking for youg boys or something to that effect. Got me to thinking about an Adults only server. I have seen a few suggestions about adding another server and such and would think that an adult only server would be great.

I have to admit that there is another reason i would be like an adults only server. I remember along time ago having a discussion about more realistic graphics and such like vorpals really chopping off heads and such. I believe ddo moade some changes shortly after the initial launch to tone down some of the graphics. Now im not a blood and gore person but i would like for ddo to be able to develope more content like the newer quests and not have to always worry about the PG rating, lor whatever it happens to be.
Thoughts,ideas? discuss.

Im a kid trololol Its very interesting to sit back and watch what happens but alot of people on the server already no Im a kid and refrain more times then not. Things get said in school that are just as bad in DDO.....

[protokon]

Things get said in school that are just as bad in DDO.....

This. You have to be pretty Naive to think that kids are all that innocent these days. Chances are they hear worse things in the locker rooms / on xbox live / on tv / in the movies than in DDO pugs.

besides, if there parents really didn't want them exposed to those kind of situations of being around adults they shouldnt be playing (or at least grouping in pugs) in the first place.

[baddax]

I say let DDO become a rated M game and go nuts with the graphics. If I wanted to play a cartoon, I'd play Warcraft.

I couldnt agree more.

[baddax]

This. You have to be pretty Naive to think that kids are all that innocent these days. Chances are they hear worse things in the locker rooms / on xbox live / on tv / in the movies than in DDO pugs.

besides, if there parents really didn't want them exposed to those kind of situations of being around adults they shouldnt be playing (or at least grouping in pugs) in the first place.

I understand what you are saying and agree. However turbine has to hold to certain standards when developing game content to maintain its teen rating. What i am saying is that an adults only server would free them up tro be more creative and yes graphic. Look, at the movies thake a pg 13 movie and there is alot of inuendo and such. As adults we know what happened but as kids they have no clue (supposedly). Thats fine and all but sometimes i want to be able to send the kids to bed and watch an adult rated film R ok and not have it sugar coated. Im just saying that maybe ddo has a enough people that would be interested in something like this that it might be worth it. Especialy if they are considering adding another server. I to have seen the server full messages.

[LrdSlvrhnd]

This incident and a few others, one that comes to mind was the pervert that was posting lfm saying looking for youg boys or something to that effect. Got me to thinking about an Adults only server.

Was it on Thelanis? 'Cause I saw an LFM the other night that said something about "looking for young girls (under 18)"... really squicked me out.

During the pirate event, one of the groups I was in, everybody but me had a mic, and were all clearly adults... and the chat got rather ribald... suddenly, an hour into it, one of them suddenly says to me "Wait... how old are YOU?" "... Old enough to get that it's probably a little late to be asking that question..."

[baddax]

Was it on Thelanis? 'Cause I saw an LFM the other night that said something about "looking for young girls (under 18)"... really squicked me out.

No it was something i had read on the forums in this thread. http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...highlight=boys

[varusso]

An adults-only server isnt going to happen. There is no way Turbine can realistically police it enough or lock it down to prevent kids from going in. And as long as they bill it as an adult server, but kids can STILL access it -- they are accountable for it.

Up to a point, we need to rein it in a bit, knowing that the kids are out there (or an adult who doesnt want to hear it, for that matter). However, its up to the parents of these kids to take some measure of responsibility here. I am not here to babysit your kids for you. You, as the parent, can turn off their voice chat and tell them not to turn it back on. YOU can be responsible for whether or not they mind you and leave it off. That solves the over-voice language. The chat filter catches most profanity, though not necessarily innuendos, etc. and it does not account for morons that deliberately bypass the filters by "creative" typing their profanity. If you want your kids "protected" from this type of behavior, you should not let them play unattended, and YOU should report the people who do this.

We can all show a modicum of restraint, but the majority of the onus is still on the parent. BE a parent and quit relying on electronics to nanny your kids for you.

Oh and putting stuff in the comments about adult only etc -- no more effective than BYOH/zerg/know quest will guarantee you wont get noobs applying.

[baddax]

An adults-only server isnt going to happen. There is no way Turbine can realistically police it enough or lock it down to prevent kids from going in. And as long as they bill it as an adult server, but kids can STILL access it -- they are accountable for it.

Up to a point, we need to rein it in a bit, knowing that the kids are out there (or an adult who doesnt want to hear it, for that matter). However, its up to the parents of these kids to take some measure of responsibility here. I am not here to babysit your kids for you. You, as the parent, can turn off their voice chat and tell them not to turn it back on. YOU can be responsible for whether or not they mind you and leave it off. That solves the over-voice language. The chat filter catches most profanity, though not necessarily innuendos, etc. and it does not account for morons that deliberately bypass the filters by "creative" typing their profanity. If you want your kids "protected" from this type of behavior, you should not let them play unattended, and YOU should report the people who do this.

We can all show a modicum of restraint, but the majority of the onus is still on the parent. BE a parent and quit relying on electronics to nanny your kids for you.

Oh and putting stuff in the comments about adult only etc -- no more effective than BYOH/zerg/know quest will guarantee you wont get noobs applying.

i disagree.

[Daggertooth]

Was it on Thelanis? 'Cause I saw an LFM the other night that said something about "looking for young girls (under 18)"... really squicked me out.

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What is it about GO AWAY that voice chat users don't get? The issue becomes blaringly obvious when you think about this... OMG.. 1 in 10 billion guys jokes in an LFM 'young attractive females only'... figures everyone finds it funny when you contrast it with the dozens of dork rage whining that goes on in every other LFM ... but of course the voice chat users are offended....

Figures that the ones who are 'offended' by this are the ones who are agonizing to group with in the first place who won't shut up, breathing, burping, whining, directing, controlling... Seriously, what is it about "GO AWAY' that you people don't get. "Uh Hi Guys"... if I wanted to hear that I could go to a dork fest comic convention or something... I play DDO to -get away- from you people....

[Terebinthia]

I basically assume that the people I group with are adults unless I know for definite otherwise. I will tone it down if I know there's a kid in the group, but if there are unknown quantities, I don't care.

If the convo gets a bit smuttier or there's swearing, so be it. Any parents that have an issue with the fact their kid might be exposed to such things shouldn't be using DDO as an unpaid babysitter. And I would happily chew out any irate parent who popped on the mike to complain about it.

I did feel a bit sorry for the 10 year old I declined from Shroud a few weeks ago, not because they were a kid but because they didn't have any ability to hear voice and I lead over voice. I'd have liked to have explained that in more detail but I was drowning in join requests at the time. I bet they get a lot of declines from being a kid.

[kmau]

I always assume my companions are 40 years+ PnP DnD cracks. I usually change my assumptions after I've seen their behaviour.

Also, call the new adult server Pornien.

[Buggss]

....I bet they get a lot of declines from being a kid.

Seen this a lot myself. As the old saying goes: "One person's freedom ends where another's starts" Or something like that.

The age rating on the game should be enough for people who do adhere to it, to allow their choice of conversation topic to be what they want it to be. Anything you hear you're not comfortable with, you know where the recall and leave group buttons are.

We're all here by choice...

[Razcar]

Wrong thread

[DoctorWhofan]

Im a kid trololol Its very interesting to sit back and watch what happens but alot of people on the server already no Im a kid and refrain more times then not. Things get said in school that are just as bad in DDO.....

I hate to agree, but the kid's right.

Though, we adults should watch our mouth around children. But I do understand why you don't advertise that you are a kid. Especially if you don't act like the sterotypical kid in the game. So the best solution for now, is advert adults only in the LFM. Not a perfect solution, mind you...

[Maxson]

As much disdain as I have for people younger than me (it's one of the rites and rituals of the "old before my time grumpy old men") I don't agree with an adults only server, first of all, kids will still play on the adults only server, there's literally nothing to stop them besides a dropdown box at account creation.

I also don't agree with not swearing in front of children though, at least not ingame.

I've never had a complaint about my use of strong language in DDO on voice chat, I don't know whether this is because it's considered OK to swear so long as you do it in a British accent or not, but other people also swear around me, this is fine, swear words are important to language, they represent the evolution of language as they're new words with multiple meanings and their own complexities, using them poorly is terrible, but using any word poorly is terrible, some people say they're a show of a lack of vocabulary, but I can assure you I know some very long and offensive curses.

On the other side of things, I suppose there's the notion of obscenity without swearing, IE talking about good old fashioned boning (or other adult only activities) in front of children in a game. I agree this can be troublesome, but honestly - and I hate to be an ******* here - I talk rarely of boning and such in DDO, but it's not my responsibility to meter what I talk about in an MMO unless what I speak of is somehow making others uncomfortable (if somebody says it is, I will cease talking about it). If a child is not meant to hear something obscene while playing a social game, their parents should restrict their playing of said social game, if their parents contact me ingame and ask me to hold my tongue in front of their child, I shall do my best to do that too in all honesty, but I don't think pre-emptive measures are required, kids usually are fouler mouthed than I am, and more clued up about boning than I was at their age.

[justhavinfun]

I really hate to burst anyones bubble, but most "kids" nowdays have worse language than many of the adults I know. I do not beleive that they picked this up in MMO's. Sit back some time and listen to them talk and you will see what I mean. I can cuss with the best and have "kids" shock me with their language. All you have to do is listen to the music they like, watch the TV shows and movies that they like and you will see where they get it from.

[Buggss]

I really hate to burst anyones bubble, but most "kids" nowdays have worse language than many of the adults I know. I do not beleive that they picked this up in MMO's. Sit back some time and listen to them talk and you will see what I mean. I can cuss with the best and have "kids" shock me with their language. All you have to do is listen to the music they like, watch the TV shows and movies that they like and you will see where they get it from.

Agree completely. I've worked in 14+ education for many years and if anything the bad language tends to drop the older they get rather than the opposite.

I find myself learning new words from them moreso than them learning them from me.

Only new words mind, I'm very good at what I do otherwise.