The Dicer Half orc 12 ranger/7fighter/1monk (long sword)

[kittyj123]

The aim of this build is to get some serious dps out of a fast rate of attack. The reason for this is because i have 3 monk past lives and want to get the most out the +3 damage while wielding long swords.

I have access to lit 2's which i will be using and pretty good gear including greensteel and what not.
Because i have taken 12 ranger levels i will have all twf feats and tempest 2. Do i need still need dex for the requirement?

The 7 fighter will get kensai 1 and haste boost 3 as well as other various enchantments. Now i'm pretty sure i'll have enough feats for the whirling steel strike feat which will allow me to use long swords while centered.
Would using the long sword in wind stance be better than in sun stance.

Furthermore, i will be putting all my stats into strength and con (and dex if it's need to qualify)

Any advice, suggestions or correction would be extremely helpful and thank you in advance.

[grodon9999]

Any advice, suggestions or correction would be extremely helpful and thank you in advance.

Don't use Long swords. With one monk level you gain NOTHING being centered.

[Certon]

Don't use Long swords. With one monk level you gain NOTHING being centered.

Doesn't he get air stance haste while centered, even at level 1? :P

[kittyj123]

yeh i do i get attack speed from wind stance and double strike of some sort.

[kittyj123]

Yeh, it says i get a +2.5% insight bonus to double strike. is that worthwhile? I think it is, but if you think it isn't explain why

[Koshy11]

Mmm, I would like to ask why only 1 monk when 2 gets you evasion? Unless you don't plan on having any workable reflex save or AC worth mentioning. So why even bother with 1 monk level to begin with.

If you are building around the idea of more damage when centered, which gives you a nice tekken button mashing-fest everything you walk up to a kobold, then you're most likely going full into the twf feat line, which you will want to have at least 15 dex with a +2 tome (or 14 with a +3) to qualify.

Having 17 base dex at least in my book means you could easily reach workable reflex save for evasion.

So I would start out with a slight reshuffle of the class distribution: level 2 monks would get you more benefits than a level 7 fighter.

[kittyj123]

okay well basically it's like this. ranger allows me to have evasion already. Secondly being ranger gets the twf line for free by level 11 without the dex requirement.

[serthcore]

The aim of this build is to get some serious dps out of a fast rate of attack. The reason for this is because i have 3 monk past lives and want to get the most out the +3 damage while wielding long swords.

I have access to lit 2's which i will be using and pretty good gear including greensteel and what not.
Because i have taken 12 ranger levels i will have all twf feats and tempest 2. Do i need still need dex for the requirement?

The 7 fighter will get kensai 1 and haste boost 3 as well as other various enchantments. Now i'm pretty sure i'll have enough feats for the whirling steel strike feat which will allow me to use long swords while centered.
Would using the long sword in wind stance be better than in sun stance.

Furthermore, i will be putting all my stats into strength and con (and dex if it's need to qualify)

Any advice, suggestions or correction would be extremely helpful and thank you in advance.

You need 13 dex for dodge (tempest prereq), and having a good dex will also benefit manyshot (bow to-hit) and evasion, so starting with 12-14 isnt that bad

[kittyj123]

i was about to post that, and yeh i think it's workable because i'm a 36 point build with some +2 and 3 tomes . do you think 2.5% double strike is significant?

[serthcore]

i was about to post that, and yeh i think it's workable because i'm a 36 point build with some +2 and 3 tomes . do you think 2.5% double strike is significant?

It should, specially if geared and with monk past lives. Im not good at the maths but the problem seems to be that
you will be dealing more damage with scimitars or khopeshes than centered with longswords, but go for it if you like.

On the other hand, since you got +2 and +3 tomes and its a 36 point build (so you can easily get to 17 dex)
why don't you go 12 fighter 6 ranger 2 monk? it gives you more feats (and moar thoughness), haste boost IV, weapon spec, power surge..
You lose 10% offhand and some damage to favored enemies but it seems higher dps overall,
and as said you will have no problems fitting dex on it for GTWF.
Or 20 pure fighter, if i'm correct it is 10% doublestrikes.

[kittyj123]

True, but i would have to sacrifice strength and con etc fro the 17 dex and also the monster build is very outdated now, so I don't know how effective it would be...

[serthcore]

True, but i would have to sacrifice strength and con etc fro the 17 dex and also the monster build is very outdated now, so I don't know how effective it would be...

Yeap but if the monster has been nerfed is because of the tempest line being weaker.
I like your idea of max offhand/doublestrikes/speed but it seems that going 12f/6r/2m will result in a similar idea and (maybe, again don't know the maths) better dps.
(Assuming 20 str, 15+2tome dex and 16 con on the monster and 20 str 12 dex and 18 con on yours)

You will get 2 more feats (1 monk+3fighter-1GTWF-1GWspec), it can result on 2 thoughness so 44 more hp (24 more hp than 18 starting). +4 to damage and +1 to hit (khopesh mastery II, khopesh especialization and greater weapon focus), Power surge (+4to-hit/damage), and haste boost IV instead of III.

You lose: 10% offhand, -1 less to-hit each hand, ranger favored damage III and one favored enemy.
Barkskin and some (emergency?) healing spells.

Just an option, hope it helps

[kittyj123]

thanks man apreciate it!!! i've devided to scrap this kinda and do something completely different.

HO 18 paladin/ 1 rogue/ 1 monk still using long swords. and with the 36 points and tomes i can actually squeeze KOTC3 while keeping very good stats in strength and con. Also paladin have long sword enhancement to boost longsword damage as well as zeal which increases doublestrike

[whomhead]

thanks man apreciate it!!! i've devided to scrap this kinda and do something completely different.

HO 18 paladin/ 1 rogue/ 1 monk still using long swords. and with the 36 points and tomes i can actually squeeze KOTC3 while keeping very good stats in strength and con. Also paladin have long sword enhancement to boost longsword damage as well as zeal which increases doublestrike

First, paladins do not get any enhancements for longsword damage. Smites and divine sacrifice can increase damage, but that is not specific to longswords.

Second, why go 1 rogue, 1 monk? Most paladin splashes take two levels of either monk or rogue to pick up evasion, which can be very powerful with the high saves that paladins get.

[kittyj123]

yeh you're right, they give a bonus to hit which is useful as well ( iwas looking at favored soul). i know it's not specific to long swords never said it was. and 1 rogue for haste boost and skill points. and 1 monk for the wind stance double strike bonus with whirling steel strike. I don't build for evasion so...

[FrozenNova]

thanks man apreciate it!!! i've devided to scrap this kinda and do something completely different.

HO 18 paladin/ 1 rogue/ 1 monk still using long swords. and with the 36 points and tomes i can actually squeeze KOTC3 while keeping very good stats in strength and con. Also paladin have long sword enhancement to boost longsword damage as well as zeal which increases doublestrike

So you want to lose the capstone (arguably strongest capstone in-game) to provide.. a lack of evasion?
While restricting yourself to a relatively terrible weapon for.. 2.5 doublestrike?
..
???

[kittyj123]

and haste boost which provides A LOT of dps coupled with more charges from HO. i also feel i will be getting more dps from a faster attack speed because of the +3 dmg from PL.