Curse removal; whose responsibility?

[grodon9999]

Yes. It was mentioned earlier in the thread as well. Break has to succeed in a dispel DC check, but it seems to have an almost guaranteed chance at breaking Sully's curses.

The downside is that it clears away any sort of CC the arcanes are using on the trash, and clears away the Cloudkill on the tank.

Wish I'd known about that before we had guild-pots. Sigh . . .

[Darkrok]

As a tank it is your prime responsibility to keep the boss hitting you. As such all you should be worrying about is keeping agro. The healers should cure your curses.

As a dps it is your own responsibility to cure your curses. If you own madstone boots or are going to be raging then buy the House K guild pots.

This.

That situation though is fairly rare and fairly unique to U9 and after. Pre-u9 if you were a fleshy tanking VoD you usually shield block/intim'd or else had an insane AC. It was just easier and lower maintenance. Post-U9's a whole new ballgame with that and I can see fleshy tanks needing the healer to watch their curses for them in order to keep agro.

[Dsav101]

When tanking VoD or ToD I always get my own curses. Doesn't cost much to keep a stack of guild pots on the bar for it.....

on my healer I carry the spell in case of the continued cursing that can happen occasionaly. If nothing else it helps when both tank and healer work together as it only benefits the group as a whole

-Hustler.

[LordPiglet]

Wish I'd known about that before we had guild-pots. Sigh . . .

See below though

Two drawbacks to using break enchantment. One it's not a guarantee to remove all curses, and two, you may remove any AOE nearby (cloudkill, web, etc)

Oh, I understand the drawback. Frankly, it's one of those tough, situation analysis decision calls. If one or two people are cursed, I'm not using it. If multiple people are cursed and they need heals or stuff will go south, then I'm using it. I honestly haven't seen enough CC in use in VoD lately as is, so there's be no loss there.

[Quikster]

whats wrong with this server that there are 5 freaking pages on such a trivial topic. remove your own curse, if someone gets it for you say thank you. Its really that simple.

[Sarisa]

I honestly haven't seen enough CC in use in VoD lately as is, so there's be no loss there.

So so true. Amazing the amount of arm twisting I have to do to get an arcane to even put up a Cloudkill lately.

This, along with arcanes who refuse to carry Reconstruct scrolls, don't carry GH or scrolls to cover it, no webs, no holds, and the like. I see more Barbarian's CC'ing with trips and stuns than I do arcanes CC'ing since update 9.

I personally cast Break when there are about 5 people cursed, and people are low on HP due to a fresh batch of spawns or because someone decided they were going to go action boost or smite happy on Sully and take aggro.

[moops]

whats wrong with this server that there are 5 freaking pages on such a trivial topic. remove your own curse, if someone gets it for you say thank you. Its really that simple.

LOL--Sarlona clearly has 2 different play styles, tho many people on this thread are not from Sarlona.

One play style will allow you to run a hard TOD where both your casters get banished, and no one has to use mana pots, the other play style will have some excited to finish it on hard, and talk of all the mana pots used just to finish.

Anyone who plays on Sarlona can also see where the dividing line falls between people who are freaked out that their tank might lose aggro, Lord Forbid, and those who think that tanks should be self sufficient in some areas.

Maybe I am stingy with curse removal, but I have not failed a VOD that I have led, or my guild has led, since it first came out--and the others in this thread whom say that tanks should get their own curses, have not failed them either to my knowledge.

Now pugs I join on my caster and melees, seem to have a 50-50 success rate, one thing in common on these, is that the tank is not expected to get their own curse. . .hmmmm

So we see the 2 heads of Sarlona.

[LordPiglet]

LOL--Sarlona clearly has 2 different play styles, tho many people on this thread are not from Sarlona.

One play style will allow you to run a hard TOD where both your casters get banished, and no one has to use mana pots, the other play style will have some excited to finish it on hard, and talk of all the mana pots used just to finish.

Anyone who plays on Sarlona can also see where the dividing line falls between people who are freaked out that their tank might lose aggro, Lord Forbid, and those who think that tanks should be self sufficient in some areas.

Maybe I am stingy with curse removal, but I have not failed a VOD that I have led, or my guild has led, since it first came out--and the others in this thread whom say that tanks should get their own curses, have not failed them either to my knowledge.

Now pugs I join on my caster and melees, seem to have a 50-50 success rate, one thing in common on these, is that the tank is not expected to get their own curse. . .hmmmm

So we see the 2 heads of Sarlona.

There are 2 heads of Sarlona. I'll be honest, I like running with you moops, your guildies and hit your raids when I can. But you run a private channel, the people you run with most of the time are generally geared and more skilled then the average pugger on the server. There are reasons that you can succeed where others might fail.

Personally, I try to improve and I know every run with you has shown me something and I know you've had me handle things on your runs that aren't done the same way with a standard random pug group. Actually, we were talking about you in VoD last night, (well not about you as much as I was cussing about the changes to vorpals and mentioned that before U9 the last time I VoD'd with you I was assigned to just vorpal all the trash and it was crazy smooth).

[Quikster]

There are 2 heads of Sarlona. I'll be honest, I like running with you moops, your guildies and hit your raids when I can. But you run a private channel, the people you run with most of the time are generally geared and more skilled then the average pugger on the server. There are reasons that you can succeed where others might fail.

Personally, I try to improve and I know every run with you has shown me something and I know you've had me handle things on your runs that aren't done the same way with a standard random pug group. Actually, we were talking about you in VoD last night, (well not about you as much as I was cussing about the changes to vorpals and mentioned that before U9 the last time I VoD'd with you I was assigned to just vorpal all the trash and it was crazy smooth).

Yes a lot of the people that get invited to our private channels are well geared, but not all. All of them can follow instructions if they are so inclined however, which is much more important than gear

Joined a pug vod last night on my bard and people had a hard time following simple instructions, when they went against the norm of the raid.

And honestly how well geared do you need to be to remove your curse

[moops]

There are 2 heads of Sarlona. I'll be honest, I like running with you moops, your guildies and hit your raids when I can. But you run a private channel, the people you run with most of the time are generally geared and more skilled then the average pugger on the server. There are reasons that you can succeed where others might fail.

Personally, I try to improve and I know every run with you has shown me something and I know you've had me handle things on your runs that aren't done the same way with a standard random pug group. Actually, we were talking about you in VoD last night, (well not about you as much as I was cussing about the changes to vorpals and mentioned that before U9 the last time I VoD'd with you I was assigned to just vorpal all the trash and it was crazy smooth).

True, but when I lead VOD in the past 6 months, I am usually pugging at least 6 spots, if not 8 or 9, since many people do not want to do a raid that they need nothing from. In TOD half the time Im pugging up to 6 spots. I am always dealing with unknown factors.

I do have a channel, not everyone is well geared, there are some new people that try their best to be self sufficient players and listen well to instructions, and some of my own guildies don't have Epic items lol.

There are two things in common that everyone has in that channel, except for ONE person--is that we can step into any raid/quest and they can get all their buffs, even without ship buffs. This is rare on our overbuffing server, where Divines think u need Stalwart Pact for Part 1 of Shroud. And the second thing is that they listen to directions--which is important if one is taking unorthodox groups into raids, or trying new things.

I personally have prompted people hard to be self sufficient for a couple years. Being self sufficient is the first step to overcoming anything that goes wrong in a raid. I personally hate when I get to part 3 of TOD and the group fails because of some little accident, or spend 25 mins ( 10 mins of buff fest usually) in a VOD to fail on the last 10%.

I still pug just to find new people that don't want the easy button, people that have the curiosity to try new things.

[mudfud]

whats wrong with this server that there are 5 freaking pages on such a trivial topic. remove your own curse, if someone gets it for you say thank you. Its really that simple.

You gotta admit though we atleast made it a few weeks before a thread of this nature was made once again.

[Quikster]

You gotta admit though we atleast made it a few weeks before a thread of this nature was made once again.

True, instead we get, "Sarlona Singles!" "Soulless Blah Blah Blah" or "A/S/L???"

[Michaelaz2]

Remove your own curses, If someone is removing your curse they are not healing someone else,dps'ing,casting spells,etc.
Thought for a moment I had stumbled upon Kyber based on amount of drama over being self sufficient.

[LordPiglet]

Yes a lot of the people that get invited to our private channels are well geared, but not all. All of them can follow instructions if they are so inclined however, which is much more important than gear

Joined a pug vod last night on my bard and people had a hard time following simple instructions, when they went against the norm of the raid.

And honestly how well geared do you need to be to remove your curse

Honestly, some days I'm suprised at people who don't carry any pots.

True, but when I lead VOD in the past 6 months, I am usually pugging at least 6 spots, if not 8 or 9, since many people do not want to do a raid that they need nothing from. In TOD half the time Im pugging up to 6 spots. I am always dealing with unknown factors.

I do have a channel, not everyone is well geared, there are some new people that try their best to be self sufficient players and listen well to instructions, and some of my own guildies don't have Epic items lol.

There are two things in common that everyone has in that channel, except for ONE person--is that we can step into any raid/quest and they can get all their buffs, even without ship buffs. This is rare on our overbuffing server, where Divines think u need Stalwart Pact for Part 1 of Shroud. And the second thing is that they listen to directions--which is important if one is taking unorthodox groups into raids, or trying new things.

I personally have prompted people hard to be self sufficient for a couple years. Being self sufficient is the first step to overcoming anything that goes wrong in a raid. I personally hate when I get to part 3 of TOD and the group fails because of some little accident, or spend 25 mins ( 10 mins of buff fest usually) in a VOD to fail on the last 10%.

I still pug just to find new people that don't want the easy button, people that have the curiosity to try new things.

Listening is one of the biggest issues I see when I pug. People just don't listen.
1/2 the time, we still have everyone running to the corner in part 5, even when we say we're surrounding a lt and taking him out. 1/2 the time when I'm in a pug and they ask for a kiter, I'll be kiting and other people start attacking the ele (and normally it's another freakin ranger). I'll pass out something like fom to save mana and speed buffing and 10 seconds later an extended one will pop up on me. People run around cursed and poisoned. Pally's and rangers asking for resists and neutralize poison. This is all stuff happening just in the shroud alone. I straight up won't run hound, and I won't tod, or vod if I don't know core members of the party.

[Quikster]

Honestly, some days I'm suprised at people who don't carry any pots.



Listening is one of the biggest issues I see when I pug. People just don't listen.
1/2 the time, we still have everyone running to the corner in part 5, even when we say we're surrounding a lt and taking him out. 1/2 the time when I'm in a pug and they ask for a kiter, I'll be kiting and other people start attacking the ele (and normally it's another freakin ranger). I'll pass out something like fom to save mana and speed buffing and 10 seconds later an extended one will pop up on me. People run around cursed and poisoned. Pally's and rangers asking for resists and neutralize poison. This is all stuff happening just in the shroud alone. I straight up won't run hound, and I won't tod, or vod if I don't know core members of the party.

Its one thing to run out of pots. It happens. I know for me Ive been low on a few things on certain alts, but my play time has been thin and Ive been lazy on refreshing consumables. But for the most part people should try to have their own stuff if it comes in a pot.

I dont care if people run around poisoned or diseased in shroud either. Usually its taken care of with mass heal. Most of the time I dont bother with em for my alts.

[Roman]

Everything Moops said is pretty much right on target. But I think the entire point of what she's saying is lost on some people, myself included when I first started playing. By building, thinking, and playing in a more self sufficient way you see opportunities to play in entirely new ways. See strategies that didnt seem possible before.

The point, is that its lot more fun and challenging, in a rewarding way. It's not about who is supposed to do what based on their class icon, but rather what is possible; what can be done different/better/faster.

Think outside the box, and while your during that, cure your own curse.

[LordPiglet]

Its one thing to run out of pots. It happens. I know for me Ive been low on a few things on certain alts, but my play time has been thin and Ive been lazy on refreshing consumables. But for the most part people should try to have their own stuff if it comes in a pot.

I dont care if people run around poisoned or diseased in shroud either. Usually its taken care of with mass heal. Most of the time I dont bother with em for my alts.

Not everyone mass heals. It's not part 4 they're running around poisoned (well they are) it's part 1 and 2 when taking down trogs.

[Quikster]

Not everyone mass heals. It's not part 4 they're running around poisoned (well they are) it's part 1 and 2 when taking down trogs.

yeah i would remove my own poison in pt 1 or 2, and point and laugh at someone else.

I didnt remove poison or disease before mass heal was in the game

[LordPiglet]

yeah i would remove my own poison in pt 1 or 2, and point and laugh at someone else.

I didnt remove poison or disease before mass heal was in the game

I do poison, the symbol bugs me, usually I can make a disease fort save, but atleast I carry lesser restoration for the times I do fail the last save