Twf vs. Thf on various builds

[stille_nacht]

Right assuming 40 or so str, min II, twf or thf for these?:

12 ftr/6 barb/2 rog

12 barb/7 rog/1 ftr

12 barb/6 ftr/2rog

[kernal42]

IMO:
TWF
TWF
...TWF I guess; not sure why you'd build this though.

-Kernal

[stille_nacht]

is kensai II really taht much better than fb II? :O

[Trillea]

is kensai II really taht much better than fb II? :O

Yes. Yes all over the place.

[transtemporal]

twf/twf/twf
or
thf/thf/thf (if you want to have a little more flexibility).

Honestly, there isn't the stark gap between twf/thf that there once was, especially when you bring esos into the equation.

[transtemporal]

is kensai II really taht much better than fb II? :O

Yes and currently, pure twf fighter > pure twf barb. I would even go so far as to slot in pure rogue between fighter and barb.

[stille_nacht]

oh... is a 12/7/1 ftr/rog/barb better dps wise than a 12/7/1 barb/rog/ftr then?

[Trillea]

oh... is a 12/7/1 ftr/rog/barb better dps wise than a 12/7/1 barb/rog/ftr then?

No, 12ftr/6barb/2rog is better DPS. Especially if you have a barb past life - look up the Blizt build.

Edit: I misread your post, both of the ones you are asking about are not top DPS, but between them I would think the 12ftr would do better DPS.

[stille_nacht]

No, 12ftr/6barb/2rog is better DPS. Especially if you have a barb past life - look up the Blizt build.

Edit: I misread your post, both of the ones you are asking about are not top DPS, but between them I would think the 12ftr would do better DPS.

i would think factoring in SA they're pretty solid

also, no barb past life here :[, i might still end up going blitz tho.

[Trillea]

i would think factoring in SA they're pretty solid

also, no barb past life here :[, i might still end up going blitz tho.

Too many fort-heavy enemies to count something with a lot of rogue levels as high-end DPS against the majority of content IMO. But when it's fort-less yes.

[stille_nacht]

Too many fort-heavy enemies to count something with a lot of rogue levels as high-end DPS against the majority of content IMO. But when it's fort-less yes.

well constructs aint much of a threat, neither are elementals, undead nominally, but i go through the orchard pretty fast anyway (i did it on a kensai AA inprogress, so it shouldnt be too bad :]), and for 50% fort i think its (7dmg/hit) still better than ftr levels.

looking at it, i think that ftr 12/7/1 will be slightly more dps, but i have an irrational attraction to making it a barb 12/7/1 :O..... must. make. spreadsheet. to convince self....

[Trillea]

looking at it, i think that ftr 12/7/1 will be slightly more dps, but i have an irrational attraction to making it a barb 12/7/1 :O..... must. make. spreadsheet. to convince self....

Play what you like. Not necessarily what the spreadsheet says you should like..

[stille_nacht]

Play what you like. Not necessarily what the spreadsheet says you should like..

BLASPHEMY, THE SPREADSHEET IS GOD!!!!! /uberpowergamingnerdrage

actually plugging stuff in, they are remarkably close depending on time , prob just gonna do the whole barb thing then, already have a fighter :P. it just seems smexier to have both rage and lv 4 haste boost combined :P

[Ullysses]

Play what you like. Not necessarily what the spreadsheet says you should like..

This!

A few point of dps either way isn't going to be a game breaker.

That said, I have a twf rogue, and twf fighter, top dps between them just depends on what type of enemies they are facing. But my THF paladin out dps's both of them on average...

[Alex301]

Try consumer's barbarian build in the spread sheet ( 18 barb/ 1 rog/ 1 ftr)

[Kinerd]

If you're only using greensteel, the answer is always TWF.

Too many fort-heavy enemies to count something with a lot of rogue levels as high-end DPS against the majority of content IMO. But when it's fort-less yes.

I think you dramatically underestimate just how many sneak attack dice rogues get.

[stille_nacht]

ok, going a bit farther with my now decided new alt the 12/7/1 barb/rog/ftr. should it be lit II khopesh mainhand/ rad II scimitar offhand (i could switch between two sets, but i am never bothered vs. anything besides ridiculous hp epic mobs which dont exist anymore). (of course i have crafted khopesh dr breakers)

[Ullysses]

Well. 2 lit2's will be top dps on most mobs, the rad2 will give you SA dmg, but it can be annoying having to chase mobs around when they're blind.

The lit2/rad2 combo works well for high SA rogues, not sure if 7 lvls of rogue will give you enough SA to offset not using 2 lit2's.... If your running in decent groups, sunburst, holy aura, and other effects can give you the blind effect and allow you to use lit2's, so depends on the situation.

Also, why not 2 khopesh's if you want higher dps? I like different weapons for different builds, but it's pretty standard that Kopesh=dps...

[stille_nacht]

rad II scimitar because it has a wider crit range, if i were to make lit IIs, i would make a khopesh

[transtemporal]

Too many fort-heavy enemies to count something with a lot of rogue levels as high-end DPS against the majority of content IMO. But when it's fort-less yes.

The only epic quest I can think of that actually sucks for rogues is wiz king. Typically for that I'll switch to another dps, but for almost anything else, I'm tending towards my rogue.