Vague idea for S&B build...

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Hi everyone, long time forum lurker, just created an account because I had a couple ideas to throw at people, and wanted the great builders here to give some feedback, all welcome.

First I hadda bunch of nice Bastard Swords saved up for a possible future character (bit of an altaholic... ;P), and was thinking about making a WF Kensai II/DoS I/(Rog or Mnk) 2. Would use THF with a greatsword (or some two hander, doesn't matter much) most of the time, and have Bsword and shield for tanking. Should have quite decent saves+evasion, and I *think* with a gear-grind could have AC possibilities (but what AC toon doesn't have a bit of a grind right?). Questions here: A) would it have enough threat gen? I'm thinking with Divine Righteousness, WF hate amp enh, and some Dragontouched incite it could be enough, that is why i am asking. B) Would the THFing dps be worthwhile?

Anyway thanks for looking, curious to see what people think, if the general consensus is it could be worthwhile overall then I will see about making an actual build, a favorite pastime of mine. Also, if you think of any other builds that would have similar playstyles with different splits/races I would LOVE to hear em!

Cheers

[voxson5]

Something i started playing with is a human DOS III/rogue 2

Human 18/2 (pally/rog)
16 STR
08 DEX
14 CON
16 INT
08 WIS
14 CHA

16 INT & human gets you 6 skill points per pally level, enough for max search, disable & umd. Rogue levels at 1 & 10 for extra points into balance, concentration etc. +2 tome at 7 means you can also pop 15 ranks into intimdate (2 at 1st + 13 from levels - maybe more)

**edit - needs CE/Towershield prof etc for DoS, maybe a 12/6/2 split would be better?**
THF
iTHF
gTHF
Bastard Sword
PA
Toughness
Extend
iCRIT:Slashing

saves, evasion, hate tanking (DOS & equipment), rogue skills, S&B turtling, whip out a falchion when you want to DPS

[voxson5]

2hf with a falchion on a pally rocks, but needs more pally levels to make the most of it (more smites, exhalted smite 3 at least etc)

Been discussed on a few threads, but for pally, falchion > anything except SOS (does depend a little on modifiers)

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Hmm that looks kinda interesting, thanks for the input vox. I was considering more pally, only reason was unsure of that was kinda wanted more feats, importantly Shield Mastery, possibly more toughnesses, and, if it had potential for AC, C.E. as well.

[voxson5]

Sorry for going off topic of what you actualy asked for - bit tired here :/

Check out the Big Rock Candy build by Anthios888, should be adaptable to your kensaiII/DoS/Monk or Rogue

Both give evasion;
Rogue would give you umd, more skillpoints & sneak attack
Monk would give you more AC (possibly), feats & better saves

There is another build somewhere with shows an easy way to get high AC on a SDIII/monk, i forget the name though

[unbongwah]

Here's a lazy first stab at your idea just to see what it might look like:

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Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Female
(12 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 354
Spell Points: 70 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 15
Will: 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    26
Dexterity            14                    16
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                6                     8
Charisma             12                    14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Mithral Body


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 7 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Fighter)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Bash


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Bladesworn Transformation
Enhancement: Follower of the Lord of Blades
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender II
Enhancement: Fighter Bastard Sword Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Greatsword Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting I
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting II
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting III
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III
Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude I

Feat order & enhs can be tweaked, just wanted to see if we could fit everything in, and the answer seems to be "mostly." Not sure what kinda AC you could get out of this build; probably something a little less than BRC. Monk 2 splash would add two more feats (I dunno what - Stunning Blow & Quick Draw maybe?), but AC gets more complicated.

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I have seen the BigRock build around, and quite like the idea, and I think it could convert to THFing quite easily with a few feat changes. The potential problem I saw with BRCM is that it was (pretty sure) made when S&B turtling was viable through intimidate, and with the new intimidate non-total lockdown from U9, I was worried about it holding agro through melee dps. That was the reason for the 6 pally levels, I hoped Div Righteousness could remedy the problem. Also Thanks Unbongwah, that is exactly the sort of thing I had tentatively drawn up for myself, so looking like that is what I will do if looks ok to people. BTW have read a good # of your builds unbongwah, learned a lot from reading em!

Thanks all

[Da3vid]

I have seen the BigRock build around, and quite like the idea, and I think it could convert to THFing quite easily with a few feat changes. The potential problem I saw with BRCM is that it was (pretty sure) made when S&B turtling was viable through intimidate, and with the new intimidate non-total lockdown from U9, I was worried about it holding agro through melee dps. That was the reason for the 6 pally levels, I hoped Div Righteousness could remedy the problem. Also Thanks Unbongwah, that is exactly the sort of thing I had tentatively drawn up for myself, so looking like that is what I will do if looks ok to people. BTW have read a good # of your builds unbongwah, learned a lot from reading em!

Thanks all

I was a Big Rock Candy type tank and when I saw u9 would kill my build, I TR'd into a barbarian to run through that past life while I figured out my next build that could handle u9. Here is my current S&B build. Appreciate any comments.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=324243