Some sort of community control...

[Talon_Moonshadow]

A forum is not a guaranteed avenue of free speech. truly free speech means you can say whatever you please without fear of censorship (though not free of consequences). Such a thing does not exist in the vast majority of forums. Forums have rules and guidelines, including what is and is not allowed to be posted. By signing in to a forum at all, you are giving up your free speech and agreeing to MODERATED speech, as judged by the folks who actually run the forums.

Free speech does not apply here.

Ah... but the suggestion was for the people who "read/post" the forums to be able to judge....not to leave it up to the people who "run" the forums!

To take the censureship power out of the hands of proper authority, and place it into the voting hands of the masses.

A totally different thing IMO.

[twix]

It's funny to me how the same person continuosly gets under people's skin and yet they continue to follow his/her threads ,post in their threads telling them how stupid their suggestions/ideas are ,and neg repping them..If i dont enjoy reading someones ideas/threads i just don't read them..as far as im concerned everyone is welcome to their own opinions on what THEY believe is a good idea or suggestion if you dont like it say " nah i dont agree with this idea /not signed " then move on with your life...
Just because someone has posted a trollish thread now and again doesnt give people the right to try to bully them off the forums...I myself am quite guilty of trolling plenty of threads...
I want people to stalk me too
I also find it funny when a troll tells a troll to stop trolling. so.....Stop Trolling!

[varusso]

No it doesn't because you can still see where they post. It says ***** has posted but you have ignored them.

It should completely ignore they fact that they ever post.

Thats fine; the notation is a very thin line in the thread, easily ignored. If just SEEING that they have posted in a thread is too much for you, then you really need to calm down. Its there so that you can take a peek and see if they have contributed in a worthwhile manner, and give you a chance to re-evaluate whether or not they should still be /ignored. If you are finding that your threads are filled with multiple ignored posts, such that it actually ID making it difficult to read the thread....do I really need to finish that sentence?

I have a couple of people /ignored because its obvious they are never going to add anything I want to see to a discussion. On occasion, I take a look just to see if they are still being obnoxious. If the post turns out to be another flame-tard in my direction, back to ignore they go. And any angst over that is because i CHOSE to look.

[Tolero]

By the way, wanted to take a moment to thank those of you who are keeping up the dialog while staying in the guidelines. Much appreciated. I don't mind chatting about moderation it's just often times the discussions are started in a way that prevents us from being able to talk about it >< So far so good.

Not everyone here exercises that sort of simple common sense. Some are simply not born with it, never learned it, or simply don't care.

I don't think that's true. Most of the time I think people just get carried away and let their passion get the better of them.

So what you are saying is that as long as I don't reference either Tolero or someone's momma in thread I am good to go

By the way my momma obviously never has played D&D (or DDO) and I'm pretty sure that neither I nor her would be offended by any such statement .

Alright substitute with the appropriate "my button has been pushed" reaction and you get the idea. And if you don't have a button push reaction to anything at all, well then this means you have to be EXTRA careful while posting because it's very likely you're going to say something offensive without meaning to because you may not be able to empathize with the other person, and that could lead to some pretty nasty misunderstandings

Ignore works really well.

Agree. Soooo many issues can be solved when people just accept that they don't see eye to eye, they probably never will, and it's best to just go their seperate ways. Doesn't even have to be permanent either, plenty of people add folks to their ignore list for short amounts of time, then remove them later on once things have cooled off.

No one reads what it says when you click to thumbs up or thumbs down a post

Approve (e.g. Well Said, Informative, Positive Contribution)
Disapprove (e.g. Inflammatory, Derogatory, Disruptive, Trolling, or violates community guidelines)

and judges it by that.

We've considered changing the wording on it to something more like "positive/negative" to see if that would help clarify. Still not sold on whether "positive/negative" says it the right way and that people still won't misinterpret it.

[Tolero]

No it doesn't because you can still see where they post. It says ***** has posted but you have ignored them.

It should completely ignore they fact that they ever post.

I *could* see if Gharet could change that with some finagling. Just not sure if it would kill any benefits in the process >>

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Agree. Soooo many issues can be solved when people just accept that they don't see eye to eye, they probably never will, and it's best to just go their seperate ways. Doesn't even have to be permanent either, plenty of people add folks to their ignore list for short amounts of time, then remove them later on once things have cooled off.

Except when a poster posts so prolifically, you stumble into their posts without even trying. And having it show "You can't see this message because Tolero is on your ignore list" Doesn't exactly help the ability to ignore them. Doesn't it also give you a button so you can click through to view their post?

When you ignore someone, they should CEASE TO EXIST FOR YOU. Otherwise it's like Tony Montana in that restaurant. Everyone is trying their best to ignore him, but he's making a god awful scene.

[Pallol_One-Eye]

I *could* see if Gharet could change that with some finagling. Just not sure if it would kill any benefits in the process >>

*Side-note*

Thanks for letting this thread stay open. I know some people's emotions are running high over this issue, but luckily saner heads are prevailing currently.

[Trillea]

I *could* see if Gharet could change that with some finagling. Just not sure if it would kill any benefits in the process >>

That would be appreciated. When someone posts annoying things long enough for me to get to that point where I put them on ignore, the little mental voice that I give that person's posts has long since gotten to the "annoying mother-in-law" voice and usually onto the "fingernails on the chalkboard" voice. At that point I would MUCH rather just never see that they HAVE posted which is why I would put them on ignore.

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I know some people's emotions are running high over this issue, but luckily saner heads are prevailing currently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM1yp4ng2QI

[varusso]

Ah... but the suggestion was for the people who "read/post" the forums to be able to judge....not to leave it up to the people who "run" the forums!

To take the censureship power out of the hands of proper authority, and place it into the voting hands of the masses.

A totally different thing IMO.

Except that in the end, it will still be in the hands of those who own/run the board. They can, at any time, revoke your rights of censorship. They can, at any time, be petitioned to review individual cases to determine whether or not the community has accurately enforced the spirit of their (the owners') intentions, and if they feel the community has NOT done so, reverse the community's judgment. And since, in the end, they are ultimately responsible for any and all content that is allowed on their forums (be it through their own employees or the proxy of community-based filtering), they have every right to sit in arbitration over said community's policing of the system.

We, the community, only make (and only ever WILL make) 'suggestion' on how we, the community, shall be run. The folks who run the board make the actual decisions, even if they give us illusory powers with which to govern ourselves. Any system implemented on this board will still be subject to overseeing by the folks who implemented it -- namely Turbine.

Free speech is not free speech when there are any limitations placed upon it. There will ALWAYS be limitations on the forums. We agree to them every single time we post (even though the agreement generally reads like a legal document, and most of us dont actually READ it because of that). Every time we click SUBMIT we agree to the terms, even if they changed since the last time we clicked SUBMIT. And part of that is agreeing to limitations, therefor no free speech, regardless of any proposed adjustments to the monitoring system.

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Except that in the end, it will still be in the hands of those who own/run the board. They can, at any time, revoke your rights of censorship. They can, at any time, be petitioned to review individual cases to determine whether or not the community has accurately enforced the spirit of their (the owners') intentions, and if they feel the community has NOT done so, reverse the community's judgment. And since, in the end, they are ultimately responsible for any and all content that is allowed on their forums (be it through their own employees or the proxy of community-based filtering), they have every right to sit in arbitration over said community's policing of the system.

We, the community, only make (and only ever WILL make) 'suggestion' on how we, the community, shall be run. The folks who run the board make the actual decisions, even if they give us illusory powers with which to govern ourselves. Any system implemented on this board will still be subject to overseeing by the folks who implemented it -- namely Turbine.

Free speech is not free speech when there are any limitations placed upon it. There will ALWAYS be limitations on the forums. We agree to them every single time we post (even though the agreement generally reads like a legal document, and most of us dont actually READ it because of that). Every time we click SUBMIT we agree to the terms, even if they changed since the last time we clicked SUBMIT. And part of that is agreeing to limitations, therefor no free speech, regardless of any proposed adjustments to the monitoring system.

Stop it. I still owe you from before, and this post is awesome. Remind me twice.

[Chai]

Except when a poster posts so prolifically, you stumble into their posts without even trying. And having it show "You can't see this message because Tolero is on your ignore list" Doesn't exactly help the ability to ignore them. Doesn't it also give you a button so you can click through to view their post?

When you ignore someone, they should CEASE TO EXIST FOR YOU. Otherwise it's like Tony Montana in that restaurant. Everyone is trying their best to ignore him, but he's making a god awful scene.

Yeap exactly.

If someone on my ignore list posts and the next user quotes them, I can now read what they posted, which is usually a quote of my post and some good ol fashioned bait put in there to see if I will bite.

Thus it is not helping me ignore specific users at all.

[Trillea]

Stop it. I still owe you from before, and this post is awesome. Remind me twice.

I got him for one of em.

[Yaga_Nub]

Yeap exactly.

If someone on my ignore list posts and the next user quotes them, I can now read what they posted, which is usually a quote of my post and some good ol fashioned bait put in there to see if I will bite.

Thus it is not helping me ignore specific users at all.

So people specifically make a post and look for a reply that specifically is going to somehow bait you even if you're not mentioned at all in the post?

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i Got Him For One Of Em.

<3

[Pallol_One-Eye]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM1yp4ng2QI

I just vomited in my mouth a little, thanks for that. And to think, back in the day she was a hottie, not a Bobby Brown recycled crack ho.

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I just vomited in my mouth a little, thanks for that. And to think, back in the day she was a hottie, not a Bobby Brown recycled crack ho.

RIP Young Hot Whitney

[stainer]

So people specifically make a post and look for a reply that specifically is going to somehow bait you even if you're not mentioned at all in the post?

According to my therapist, yes. Everyone is out to get me.

/watching you

[Chai]

So people specifically make a post and look for a reply that specifically is going to somehow bait you even if you're not mentioned at all in the post?

No.

I post.

Then someone on my ignore list quotes it and posts something to the effect of "you obviously dont know what youre talking about, (insert other obvious personal directed banter here) yadda yadda."

Someone else quotes the post of the person on my ignore list.

Now I can see what the user I am "ignoring" typed.

Its easy to see the progression. No assumptions are being made.

As Rest stated: When you ignore someone, they should CEASE TO EXIST FOR YOU.

And I agree.

[Lerincho]

That was the idea behind temporary infraction points as well, but of course now you no longer have temp infraction points. Interesting difference.

Actually the temporary infraction points are all they have. However, they apparently "can do nothing" about anything was was done prior to the great forum purge of 2007 or the mini-forum purge of 2008. All those infraction points never expire.