How to build a spellsinger?

[Murricath]

I always wanted to try out a spellsinger, but have always wondered how to build it correctly?

I tried searching the forums, but since all the class-forums are now a big mess I was unable to find anything but discussions on whether to splash 2 rogue levels into the build.

Anyone have either a full build or a link to one that I could use as inspiration?
I know it can be very hard to build a useless bard, but there's no reason to not build it in a sensible way

[thegreatneil]

The Diva's Bard Love Guide.

Search for it, has tons of information.

(edit: i can't remember how to add a link, sorry)

[Dawnsfire]

The Diva's Bard Love Guide.

Search for it, has tons of information.

(edit: i can't remember how to add a link, sorry)

That would be this one correct?

[brinclhof]

Depends on why you are wanting to build a spell singer. Most likely you are wanting to build a spell singer to be a casting type bard. If so...putting 2 lvls of rogue in your build will hurt your spell dc for enchantment spells by loosing the capstone. so it will be very difficult to do spell based crowd control in epics with a splashed spell singer.

Biggest suggestion I can make for a spell singer, max your Charisma. Spell singer is probably the PrE most dependent on charisma.

[Valindria]

I've been a fan of something like this:

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...59&postcount=2

Pretty basic 28 point build Human SS.

[maddmatt70]

I've been a fan of something like this:

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...59&postcount=2

Pretty basic 28 point build Human SS.

Where are your melee feats? Looks pretty gimped as a pure caster bard i.e. caster bards are gimped.

[Valindria]

Where are your melee feats? Looks pretty gimped as a pure caster bard i.e. caster bards are gimped.

I assumed typical CC/Heal style SS with a slight melee option as MT with some STR (instead of dumping STR). The build is from 2010. If the OP wants a melee bard then they can adjust as needed or find another build. It was just the reference post. Perhaps you could link a better SS build to help out if mine is outdated.

[maddmatt70]

I assumed typical CC/Heal style SS with a slight melee option as MT with some STR (instead of dumping STR). The build is from 2010. If the OP wants a melee bard then they can adjust as needed or find another build. It was just the reference post. Perhaps you could link a better SS build to help out if mine is outdated.

Blah why link outdated information. CC/Heal is substandard in non raids. Try melee and healing or just melee. Too many old bards not coming to terms with the update 9 game. If the devs change the game to be more pro cc bard then I will post about it like everyone else, but it is not happening right now so deal with it.

[grodon9999]

Blah why link outdated information. CC/Heal is substandard in non raids. Try melee and healing or just melee. Too many old bards not coming to terms with the update 9 game. If the devs change the game to be more pro cc bard then I will post about it like everyone else, but it is not happening right now so deal with it.

I run with several caster/healer bards with ****/no melee and from what I observe I have to disagree with this.

I also run with several bards with great gear who more than hold their own in melee, they are also excellent.

Often it's the carpenter and not the hammer.

[Alleyna]

Blah why link outdated information. CC/Heal is substandard in non raids. Try melee and healing or just melee. Too many old bards not coming to terms with the update 9 game. If the devs change the game to be more pro cc bard then I will post about it like everyone else, but it is not happening right now so deal with it.

I am sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Sure, bards were affected heavily by U9, but that doesn't mean CC is dead, especially the CC bard. My virtuoso (first life, 32-pt human), is hitting 39 DC enchants with airship +2 cha buff. It can make a huge difference to the group versus not having CC, even with casters wailing and divine punishing all over the place. I run her regularly in our eChrono we run twice a week. I'll also run her in epics. She has songs for mobs that can be affected and can use dance ball and single holds for other mobs. I have never felt like my CC bard has become useless, I just had to adjust tactics a bit with the changes. And, my current bard doesn't have any melee feats and doesn't have GS HP item yet, etc..., so isn't great in melee. But I guess I haven't come to terms with DDO post-U9 yet

[unbongwah]

Where are your melee feats? Looks pretty gimped as a pure caster bard i.e. caster bards are gimped.

CC/Heal is substandard in non raids. Try melee and healing or just melee.

Perhaps you could clarify for the OP why a caster-/CC-focused SS is now "gimp" rather than simply asserting it is so.

Murricath: a lot depends on whether or not you're trying to cast CC spells as a SS. If you are, then you usually want to stick with pure bard with max CHA and full set of feats & enhs which boost your DCs & Spell Pen to maximize the chances of your CC spells landing. But that limits your build options; and as maddmatt70 points out, a CC-caster-focused bard is of...questionable use at endgame.

Whereas if you give up CC spells to focus on other things, an SS bard has nearly as much freedom as a WC or Virt when it comes to MCing etc.

[maddmatt70]

Perhaps you could clarify for the OP why a caster-/CC-focused SS is now "gimp" rather than simply asserting it is so.

Murricath: a lot depends on whether or not you're trying to cast CC spells as a SS. If you are, then you usually want to stick with pure bard with max CHA and full set of feats & enhs which boost your DCs & Spell Pen to maximize the chances of your CC spells landing. But that limits your build options; and as maddmatt70 points out, a CC-caster-focused bard is of...questionable use at endgame.

Whereas if you give up CC spells to focus on other things, an SS bard has nearly as much freedom as a WC or Virt when it comes to MCing etc.

I get tired of posting about this on the forums. I have already posted about this in 10 or so threads, but you see some old bards who likely do not play much currently posting about how cc bards are still viable options in comparison to the alternatives and it gets tiresome.

CC bards were kind of bad prior to update 9, but they were more effective then they are now. The game was so much more about CC/enchantment spells and effects prior to update 9, but post update 9 DOTS, SLAs, Nukes, Instakills, etc. in game became so much more strong because of reduction in mob hit points in epics, improvement of nuke spells in general, non extend on cc spells, and the removal of auto death ward in several places in game so instakills worked has made it so cc bards are far behind the 8 ball throughout the endgame. The amount of feats to get adequate cc spells for the mobs increase dc is another negative for cc bards and with the mob decreasing in hit points etc. puts melee or heals as far more effective means of getting the job done in update 9 for bards.

[grodon9999]

I get tired of posting about this on the forums. I have already posted about this in 10 or so threads, but you see some old bards who likely do not play much currently posting about how cc bards are still viable options in comparison to the alternatives and it gets tiresome.

CC bards were kind of bad prior to update 9, but they were more effective then they are now. The game was so much more about CC/enchantment spells and effects prior to update 9, but post update 9 DOTS, SLAs, Nukes, Instakills, etc. in game became so much more strong because of reduction in mob hit points in epics, improvement of nuke spells in general, non extend on cc spells, and the removal of auto death ward in several places in game so instakills worked has made it so cc bards are far behind the 8 ball throughout the endgame. The amount of feats to get adequate cc spells for the mobs increase dc is another negative for cc bards and with the mob decreasing in hit points etc. puts melee or heals as far more effective means of getting the job done in update 9 for bards.

And yet . . . these bards are still very effective though not getting the power-gamer stamp of approval. how is that possible?

[Dawnsfire]

OP, if the Diva link I gave you above doesn't help then try Tihocan's Spellsinger build. It is a pretty basic down and dirty build.

PS: There is a melee build at the top if you prefer that sort of thing

[Chai]

Bards have alot of options, and building a bard toon you will want to first think of what you want to do with that toon, then build the stats to accomplish that goal.

[bendover]

I always wanted to try out a spellsinger, but have always wondered how to build it correctly?

I tried searching the forums, but since all the class-forums are now a big mess I was unable to find anything but discussions on whether to splash 2 rogue levels into the build.

Anyone have either a full build or a link to one that I could use as inspiration?
I know it can be very hard to build a useless bard, but there's no reason to not build it in a sensible way

Tell us what you want your bard to do and what content you run that way we can be of more use to you.

[Samadhi]

Max songs
Max HP
Max Healing
Max Str

Prioritize in that order, dump Cha, and have a ton of mana to heal yourself and the party while you hit things