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  1. 06-15-2011, 08:09 AM #1
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    Question A "Healing Warforge People" Build (Simply an idea, not a real build.)

    Ok, so me and my girlfriend have been playing for about 2 months and I have found that I work fairly well with a Melee class (Fighter to be exact.) However...my girlfriend still hasn't found anything she truly "Loves" she likes being support and back up (I know stereotype, sorry.) She has tried cleric, rogue, wizard, and sorcerer. She liked all of those a lot but...eh... once she started to play cleric, she missed all of the damage of fire spells. Then once she played sorcerer, she hated that she couldn't heal me at all. So I suggested she play a rogue and...well... she was good at it...but she had no spells at all and all she liked it for was the fact that she could disable traps and unlock doors.

    So, I think I have found a solution. I was wondering if a Sorcerer built on the idea of healing Warforge characters and using spells like Knock and the disable traps spell (The name escapes me, sorry.) Would work at all.

    I was think sorcerer because they have more spell points (So she could assist and fight to.) And I was thinking drow due to the high charisma.

    She loved being a cleric, but when it came to a party other then just me and her, well... she was less help then a dieting Kobald. So that made me think she would be good as a 1-2 person healing class.

    So, what do you guys think... I hope I typed that up well enough for you to understand.
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  2. 06-15-2011, 08:22 AM #2
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    how about Wizard/rogue build..good trap skills, can heal WF, can cast spells and even use axe on lower levels

    http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=316191

    there is one build..i am currently lvl 8 on that build and loving it alot
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  3. 06-15-2011, 08:23 AM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rooxero View Post
    how about Wizard/rogue build..good trap skills, can heal WF, can cast spells and even use axe on lower levels

    http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=316191

    there is one build..i am currently lvl 8 on that build and loving it alot
    Would a Wizard be better for this idea?
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  4. 06-15-2011, 08:29 AM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by flameninja View Post
    Would a Wizard be better for this idea?
    Yes. Very much so. Flexibility in swapping spells and great synergy with the 2 lvls of Rogue. If she wanted to do a bit of everything you could look at the Texas Hold'em build:

    http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=254860
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    Quote Originally Posted by eunucorn View Post
    Yes. Very much so. Flexibility in swapping spells and great synergy with the 2 lvls of Rogue. If she wanted to do a bit of everything you could look at the Texas Hold'em build:

    http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=254860
    She's in Skype with me right now, she jumped at the idea of being a one person only healer but still being able to do all of the awesome fire and ice stuff, witch, personally, she's great at AoE spell casting.
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    sorcerers get repair spells that will heal warforged though once a cleric gets the Heal around level 12 i think? they heal warforges just fine.
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    maybe try a 18 wizard 2 rogue build?

    evasion with high saves use the insightful reflexs feat which lets you use int mod instead dex for reflex save.

    prob go warforged and archmage.

    She can buff you, and heal you as well as herself, she can also crowd control and kill stuff with her spells, maybe go conjuration for the cheap web and maybe necro for the wails and fingers of death?

    and with her rogue levels also do all the traps and open locked doors for you. And high INT = more skill points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalHazard View Post
    maybe try a 18 wizard 2 rogue build?

    evasion with high saves use the insightful reflexs feat which lets you use int mod instead dex for reflex save.

    prob go warforged and archmage.

    She can buff you, and heal you as well as herself, she can also crowd control and kill stuff with her spells, maybe go conjuration for the cheap web and maybe necro for the wails and fingers of death?

    and with her rogue levels also do all the traps and open locked doors for you. And high INT = more skill points.
    She will never go warforged... trust me... She about slaped me when I started wanting to try one...then sh saw how good they tank... hehe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flameninja View Post
    She will never go warforged... trust me...
    If she refuses to play WF and you don't want to play anything but WF, how about she plays a fleshie rogue / wiz and you play a WF melee-focused divine caster (FvS or cleric)? That way you can heal each other. Or, if she goes Pale Master, she can self-heal while in undead form and repair you, letting you play a pure melee build if you prefer. She could even mess around with summoning if the idea of having undead minions appeals to her; they're not very effective in the long run, though.
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  10. 06-15-2011, 08:36 AM #10
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    I play a wf sorc and I carry reconstruct spell and scrolls and try to keep the other WF healed as much as I can while doing my other things I wish they was a spell to do traps but sadly only one for locks


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    Quote Originally Posted by flameninja View Post
    Ok, so me and my girlfriend have been playing for about 2 months and I have found that I work fairly well with a Melee class (Fighter to be exact.) However...my girlfriend still hasn't found anything she truly "Loves" she likes being support and back up (I know stereotype, sorry.) She has tried cleric, rogue, wizard, and sorcerer. She liked all of those a lot but...eh... once she started to play cleric, she missed all of the damage of fire spells. Then once she played sorcerer, she hated that she couldn't heal me at all. So I suggested she play a rogue and...well... she was good at it...but she had no spells at all and all she liked it for was the fact that she could disable traps and unlock doors.

    So, I think I have found a solution. I was wondering if a Sorcerer built on the idea of healing Warforge characters and using spells like Knock and the disable traps spell (The name escapes me, sorry.) Would work at all.

    I was think sorcerer because they have more spell points (So she could assist and fight to.) And I was thinking drow due to the high charisma.

    She loved being a cleric, but when it came to a party other then just me and her, well... she was less help then a dieting Kobald. So that made me think she would be good as a 1-2 person healing class.

    So, what do you guys think... I hope I typed that up well enough for you to understand.
    There is no disable traps spell sorry there is a knock spell for locks there is a divine spell for finding traps but it isnt really worth carrying on a divine caster


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uska View Post
    There is no disable traps spell sorry there is a knock spell for locks there is a divine spell for finding traps but it isnt really worth carrying on a divine caster
    Eh... I think she likes the 18 wizard 2 rogue idea... but what do we do about the starting level...should she start as a rogue, or wizard. (She has vet.)
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    there is no "disable traps" spell. knock would be sufficient for most doors (not all, but most)

    rog/wiz is actually a well known and very popular combo. the wizard's int gives a high boost to your trapping skills take insightful reflexes and your reflex save will be awesome. if you do it right, pretty much only a dedicated, mechanic built rogue will be better... and even then not by THAT much.

    and if she chooses warforged also, she can heal both of you. very self-sufficient little duo ^_^

    edit: hmmm. no warforged, huh? point out to her she'd be immune to almost everything... if that doesn't tempt her... i recommend drow (don't dump con) pale master. drow (don't dump con) for the highest max int, and pale master for the self healing. max int, max con. don't forget the toughness feat
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    start as rogue for max skill points

    you max out that int, you'll have something like 40something skill points to play with. sooo many skill points.....*giggles a bit oddly*


    ahem. typical progression is something like 1 rog. wiz until some mark you're trying to reach has been met (6 levels for pale master, 7 levels for firewall... etc) then take the other level of rogue, then ride the rest out wizard
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    Quote Originally Posted by katz View Post
    start as rogue for max skill points

    you max out that int, you'll have something like 40something skill points to play with. sooo many skill points.....*giggles a bit oddly*
    So for I have her making a rogue to start out, then leveling it 2/2 as a start so she can get the two levels of rogue at the start. So right now, only one more thing... race?
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    drow will give you max int possible. you can walk out of the generator with 20. human would give an extra bonus feat at first level. half elf can get bonus racial "dilettante" feats... get 13 str and take fighter dilettante, for example, and she would be proficient in all melee martial weapons. something more useful to her, tho, would be to have a 13 wisdom or charisma and take dilettante cleric or favored soul. easy use of cure wands/scrolls at the lower levels before pale master takes over. (and for any time not in an undead form)

    since she is starting with rogue, and will have plenty of skill points... DO NOT NEGLECT UMD. throwing a raise scroll at the dead cleric and saving the almost-wiped raid is delicious!

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    How far did she get on her healer? You can have a solid healer and add max and empower feats and do a good deal of damage with blade barrier. The new level 5 DOT is also very nice if you stack it several times(good for bosses). The new PRE for FVS is fun with the laser parrot, you dont even have to target the enemies, you can focus on healing and it will just be sitting on your shoulder, shooting things. However, i do agree with the previous posters with the rogue2/wizard18 build, I have played with many while xp grinding on my TR's and they do a lot of things quite well.
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    I was thinking something along the lines of this: wiz 18 / rogue 2 Pale Master specced for Necro & Enchantment; for fun I added a summoning focus, though that's not really optimal and should probably be respecced out eventually. Feat order & enhs probably need some tweaking, but it's enough to get the gist of what I'm going for. One of the nice things about it, I think, is that it's a build any F2Per can try; the +2 INT tome is nice but not essential, so there are no special build or other requirements, beyond getting the best trapping & caster gear you can as you level.

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Level 20 True Neutral Human Female
(2 Rogue \ 18 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 226
Spell Points: 1438 
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 18
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    14
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         18                    29
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                     3
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         4                    26
Diplomacy             3                    22
Disable Device        8                    32
Haggle                3                     9
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  6                     6
Listen                3                     3
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock             3                     3
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                4                     9
Search                8                    32
Spot                  3                     3
Swim                  6                     6
Tumble                3                     3
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness


Level 2 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Augment Summoning


Level 3 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 4 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Necromancy


Level 7 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Combustive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Deadly Ice I
Enhancement: Deadly Flame I
Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics I
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation I
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation II
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation I
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation II
Enhancement: Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Force Manipulation II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master I
Enhancement: Summon Skeleton Archer
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Knight
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Mage
Enhancement: Shroud of the Zombie


Level 8 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Diplomacy (+8)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness


Level 13 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Intelligence I
Enhancement: Reconstructive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Mighty Reconstruction I
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation III
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation III
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Force Manipulation III
Enhancement: Force Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation II
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation III
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master II
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Archer
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Knight
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Mage
Enhancement: Shroud of the Vampire
Enhancement: Shroud of the Wraith


Level 15 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 16 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Enchantment


Level 18 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment


Level 19 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Deadly Ice II
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation V
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation V
Enhancement: Force Manipulation V
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation V
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence III
Enhancement: Shroud of the Lich
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master III
Enhancement: Summon Frostmarrow Archer
Enhancement: Summon Frostmarrow Knight
Enhancement: Summon Frostmarrow Mage
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