PSA Haste does not waste a valuable spell slot

[varusso]

Sure, there are those.
There are jerks of all classes and races.

But I don't think that any sorcs are switching in and out Haste as a spell based on who they are pugging with.

They carry it or they don't.
They do/don't have it for the party of inconsiderate, selfish melee and they do/don't have it for the melee that passes major pots to the casters and holds up their end.

I was asking what he was suggesting with the statements.
That melee, as a group, must weed out all of those that disrespect casters before some will carry basic buffs? or what?

I was also pointing out that the point of the elements of a sub-par melee he mentioned actually makes a good argument why casters should carry basic buffs.
Some things are build choices and some things just aren't group friendly.

Nobody is going to argue that a fighter with 250 HP, 0% fort, no DR, no AC and no healing amp is just "playing a unique build" and defend his right to "play the game the way he wants".
Can the fighter have such a build?
Sure.
But nobody will want to group with that fighter and who can blame them?
It's just not party friendly.

Yeah, obviously, sorcs arent hot-swapping their spells based on the party -- they cant I do know some who stop giving out rage/haste when the other party members are being jerks -- just like white hats that stop healing if they get upset. Those parties are pretty much doomed anyway, and at least one member is probably getting dropped at the first opportunity.

An arcane using a couple of jerks as justification for permanently removing a party buff, though? Nah I dont think there is a significant number of players doing that. More likely, they are carrying different spells for some other reason, and they have already been told repeatedly that their reasoning was stupid/noobish, so now they just fall back on 'my spellbook, my choice, i dont have to justify it!' and refuse to say any more. It gives the impression they are acting like pouty children, even if they are not. I personally have yet to see a good reason for dropping rage/haste, even on a sorc, once they get to mid-high lvl, even on a straight DPs build, as they have too many other BETTER choices for DPS available to give up these two spells. The one exception so far being acid-spec. I can see that one. But you can still fit rage/haste/displacement AND acid blast in your lvl 3 slots,in addition to the SLA acid blast. And there are better versions of the other lvl 3 spells available in higher tiers. So even that one is pretty "meh".

On MY sorc, I carry rage and haste (and displacement), and I dont miss whatever spell might have been there. Even if they didnt benefit me directly, I would still carry them for when i fill the arcane spot in a group, cos I know they are expected, and cos I happen to like making things easier for everyone.

And yeah, that hypothetical fighter has every right to play his build however he likes. If he manages to pull that off in a group, without being a burden to the rest of the group -- well ok then he is super-gamer. But it is unlikely, and will probably earn him some blacklisting -- just like white hats that refuse to heal and arcanes that refuse to rage/haste/buff/cc/whatever or rogues that dont do traps.