PSA Haste does not waste a valuable spell slot

[KoboldKiller]

Because it should be a given, you shouldn't even ask for haste/rage when you're in a party with an arcane caster, as you wouldn't ask for death ward when you're in party with a divine.

Which is YOUR opinion.

I'm starting to get the impression you believe everything and everyone should do something a specific way and if not then they are clueless.

Let me clue you in. This game offers a great variety of options which is why it is so much fun to play.

If you believe rage HAS to be given then carry some pots because as far as I'm concerned rage is an option not a requirement.

And for the record I DON'T ask for ANY buffs. I learned a long time ago to be as self sufficient as possible. I carry what i need unless I have a senile moment and forget something, I carry pots or wands for healing. I don't expect ANYONE to do anything other than play and have fun.

I may decide to carry rage farther down the road, but that's my choice. It irritates to more than anything else when someone gets on the forums or in game and tries to dictate to others how things HAVE to be done.

I have seen builds that make no sense to me but were highly effective. I have ran quests with and without buffs. I have ran with and without healers. I RARELY if EVER use ship buffs. I play MY way because I pay for the game. When in group I will do what I think is best at the time. I have been around long enough to know most of the quests and to know what is or isn't needed. Rage is a luxury that not all casters which to choose. You don't want to run with a caster who doesn't carry rage then don't. As far as I'm concerned then your selling that caster short.

[KoboldKiller]

Here I'll make things easy for you.

I play on Argo. My caster is Rosefrost. Feel free to avoid me.

[Feralthyrtiaq]

Haha... Granted no one in this game HAS to do anything anyone else says...

BUT most of us know what works good to accomplish the overall goals of the party...

If one person reads this and it helps them and their party complete a quest then the thread is a winner...

Anyone who argues contrary is just being hard headed for whatever reason...

(It's MY character and I'll play it MY WAY Meh Meh Meh! ... w/e)

Haste is awesome at all levels for all players, you don't HAVE to cast it on me...I have clickies and pots...

If you want dps, and I am having to stop swinging to use a Haste clicky or chug a pot then the DPS is gonna suffer...

It's a straight forward equation.... to debate the point is well....pointless

Haste is a DIRECT increase in party DPS and survivability....

Or keep arguing...

[KoboldKiller]

Haha... Granted no one in this game HAS to do anything anyone else says...

BUT most of us know what works good to accomplish the overall goals of the party...

If one person reads this and it helps them and their party complete a quest then the thread is a winner...

Anyone who argues contrary is just being hard headed for whatever reason...

(It's MY character and I'll play it MY WAY Meh Meh Meh! ... w/e)

Haste is awesome at all levels for all players, you don't HAVE to cast it on me...I have clickies and pots...

If you want dps, and I am having to stop swinging to use a Haste clicky or chug a pot then the DPS is gonna suffer...

It's a straight forward equation.... to debate the point is well....pointless

Haste is a DIRECT increase in party DPS and survivability....

Or keep arguing...

Nobody is arguing haste at this point, it has now turned to the rage spell.

[KillEveryone]

Their character, their spells.

While I do love haste, it is still their character and you can't tell someone what they have to have on their character.

Suck a haste pot.

[Feralthyrtiaq]

Nobody is arguing haste at this point, it has now turned to the rage spell.

If Id had an extended haste I may have caught up to the Thread to get some Rage RAWRRRRRR

[Saravis]

Nobody is arguing haste at this point, it has now turned to the rage spell.

So are we now going to see a million pointless "PSA Rage does not waste a valuable spell slot" threads?

[KoboldKiller]

if Id Had An Extended Haste I May Have Caught Up To The Thread To Get Some Rage Rawrrrrrr

Ha Ha!

[KoboldKiller]

So are we now going to see a million pointless "PSA Rage does not waste a valuable spell slot" threads?

Probably.

[Lycurgus]

So are we now going to see a million pointless "PSA Rage does not waste a valuable spell slot" threads?

Probably only written by people with capped melee toons that barely break 400hp.

[Aashrym]

You know sorcs have limited spells, right? I'm not a buffbot. If someone wants a buff I have, then by all means- but if I wanted that role I'd have played a bard. I'm mostly there to sling damage spells, which is what most groups are expecting.

I have yet to be declined cause I don't have rage, and if I did I'd consider it a close shave with a bad group.

How many damage spells do you think you need in your rotations, particularly level 3 spells? Haste really should be a given at some point and rage gives you hp, CON save bonus, and +1 DC on a tier III savant ability. Both are good spells for a sorc to carry regardless of "I don't want to buff" when we're getting into higher levels.

[mobrien316]

If I see an LFM that is filtered to just accept rogue - even with no notes in the comments, I KNOW they want a trap monkey. If I see a filter to only fvs/cleric, i KNOW they want a healer. If I see a filter to sorc/wiz, I KNOW they want some combination of nukes/CCs/buffs. Those buffs include rage and haste. If I cant provide those things on my toon (regardless of my toon's icon), i KNOW not to click the LFM.

People posting LFMs should not have to pre-qualify everyone that sends a request. Its up to the player who wants IN to bring waht they KNOW is expected of them, or have the courtesy not to waste the group's time. Play what/how you want. But when you join a group, bring what the group needs or stay away.

There is a big difference between posting an LFM filtered to accept only rogues (which I don't believe you have mentioned before) and simply posting an LFM and then booting a rogue who joined and who doesn't do traps well enough to suit you.

If I see an LFM filtered down to accept only rogues I assume they want a trapmonkey. If I see an LFM filtered to accept only clerics or favored souls, I assume they want a healer. I don't believe that this was ever up for discussion.

I believe if you post an open LFM and are planning to boot and squelch any rogue who joins but says they focus on DPS and don't really do traps, because you believe them to be a gimped, selfish player, then you should specify in your LFM that you will accept ONLY trapmonkey rogues.

A filtered LFM is, in my opinion, a lot different than an open LFM. If the LFM is open I don't think it is reasonable to assume that anyone who joins will be built the way you want or expect them to be built. If you specify something, such as if you filter the LFM to accept only clerics or favored souls, then I agree it would be redundant to also post "Need a healer".

[chrichton]

Cleric/FVS is expected to heal in a group-environment.
Rogue is expected to do traps.
Bard is expected to have songs/rage/haste.
Barb/fighter/pally are expected to bring DPS and or intim.
Wiz are expected to have rage/haste and a few other buffs, CC, death spells, and some nukes.
Sorc are expected to have rage/haste and a few other buffs, nukes, and possibly situational CCs.
Everyone is expected to have heals/remove curse/remove poison/heavy fort/lots of HP......
This is all standard *in addition* to whatever flavor you are currently working on, on your particular toon.

There are alot of expectations in place for everyone. None of it is rude. Its just how the game is played, particularly once we leave the harbor and market quests behind us. Its like going to a pot-luck dinner party and not bringing a dish.

Wow - that is a rather long list of expectations, for a wildly variable group of people, who wil have different views of what their character should do. You must be frustrated in-game a lot . . .

[Krinn83]

Wow - that is a rather long list of expectations, for a wildly variable group of people, who wil have different views of what their character should do. You must be frustrated in-game a lot . . .

Long as it may be, this is how the game works.

[TheDearLeader]

I'm still amazed that people are so concerned about their third level spell slots as Savants. But again, my opinion in this comes from the higher levels - during leveling, all's fair in spell swaps and slots.

[KoboldKiller]

Long as it may be, this is how the game works.

Um, no. The game works however the individual player wants it to work.

Your expectations may not be that of others thus there are no set of rules governing what a player or class is or isn't.

Simply put, if your going to rely on others your going to be disappointed.

[KoboldKiller]

I'm still amazed that people are so concerned about their third level spell slots as Savants. But again, my opinion in this comes from the higher levels - during leveling, all's fair in spell swaps and slots.

And I'm still amazed that people are still so concerned with what I will or will not carry in MY spell slots.

Maybe if others would worry more about what they do with their alts and less about dictating to others what they should do with theirs these types of arguments wouldn't happen.

These so called "PSA's" are nothing more than a way for someone who thinks they know more than others to dictate what someone should or shouldn't do.

[varusso]

There is a big difference between posting an LFM filtered to accept only rogues (which I don't believe you have mentioned before) and simply posting an LFM and then booting a rogue who joined and who doesn't do traps well enough to suit you.

If I see an LFM filtered down to accept only rogues I assume they want a trapmonkey. If I see an LFM filtered to accept only clerics or favored souls, I assume they want a healer. I don't believe that this was ever up for discussion.

I believe if you post an open LFM and are planning to boot and squelch any rogue who joins but says they focus on DPS and don't really do traps, because you believe them to be a gimped, selfish player, then you should specify in your LFM that you will accept ONLY trapmonkey rogues.

A filtered LFM is, in my opinion, a lot different than an open LFM. If the LFM is open I don't think it is reasonable to assume that anyone who joins will be built the way you want or expect them to be built. If you specify something, such as if you filter the LFM to accept only clerics or favored souls, then I agree it would be redundant to also post "Need a healer".

Filtered LFMs usually only pop up when you are down to the last slot and havent yet acquired the class you are looking for. You KNOW that as a rogue, your first job in a group is traps. You are the only class that can do them. If you join and say you cant do traps, you may or may not keep your spot. Same goes for any white hats with heals, or arcanes in their roles. When you look around and see you are the ONLY rogue in a full group (regardless of whether you were the second or 11th person to join) and you know you cant do traps, you know it was assumed you could (since you didnt mention you couldnt). Same goes for white hats in a non-BYOH group. Or the only arcane in a 6 man.

Filtered LFMs only highlight the fact that a specific role is missing in the group, and they want to fill it. Yest some will still insist on the "my toon, my way' nonsense.

[grodon9999]

Um, no. The game works however the individual player wants it to work.

Only if they like soloing.

The pathetic thing now is we have to now screen casters to see if they have the needed spells before running stuff. Somethings should be a given, haste is one of them.

[varusso]

Wow - that is a rather long list of expectations, for a wildly variable group of people, who wil have different views of what their character should do. You must be frustrated in-game a lot . . .

Frustrated? hardly. See, the vast majority of players already DO abide by what they know is expected of them in a group. Because the vast majority of players already know what this list is, and they either agree to fill those roles or they dont join. Very few players in any of MY groups ever pull that nonsense. You are free to play however you like (as I have said multiple times) but you also accept that when you play something that is not to standard, then you also take on the consequences of that decision. If you choose to roll up a 18 wiz/ 2 rog and call yourself an assassin, and you cant do traps (yes I have run into this), then dont act surprised when you get booted by the party leader. No one else is responsible for helping you level or gear your toon just because you want to be different. If you want the help of 5-11 random strangers, then you have to be willing to adapt to what THEY want from YOU.

Group expectations > individual expectations.