Drow Rouge

**Evex** · 06-13-2011, 06:51 PM

The idea behind this build is to build a rouge around the drow class. What I mean is to build a rouge so that it uses what comes naturally to the drow race. For those of you who were around I made a similar thread last year, but took some time off from the game. This was the last build version in that thread.

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Xyrove Moonshadow
Level 20 Chaotic Good Drow Female
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 222
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 17
Will: 5

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             15                 20                   20
Dexterity            17                 17                   21
Constitution         14                 14                   14
Intelligence         12                 12                   14
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma             10                 10                   10

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               7                 28                   28
Bluff                 0                  0                    6
Concentration         2                  2                    2
Diplomacy             0                  0                    0
Disable Device        5                 25                   25
Haggle                0                  0                    0
Heal                 -1                 -1                   -1
Hide                  7                 28                   38
Intimidate            0                  0                    0
Jump                  2                  5                    5
Listen               -1                 -1                    1
Move Silently         7                 28                   38
Open Lock             7                 28                   28
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                  2                    2
Search                5                 25                   27
Spot                  3                 22                   24
Swim                  2                  5                    5
Tumble                7                 28                   28
Use Magic Device      4                 23                   23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II


Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Improved Hide III


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently III


Level 11 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Improved Hide IV
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently IV


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance III


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III

I've since made changes to the overall character, and this is the current version of my planed build. One of the changes you'll notice is that I've redistributed some of the characters ability points to the last version, other then that everything else is the same, except for obvious changes to skills the game has made.

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Xyrove  MoonShadow
Level 20 Chaotic Good Drow Female
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 222
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 17
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    20
Dexterity            17                    21
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             10                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    18
Bluff                 0                    29
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        5                    25
Haggle                0                     0
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  7                    37
Intimidate            0                     0
Jump                  2                     5
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         7                    38
Open Lock             7                    28
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                    27
Spot                  3                    24
Swim                  2                     5
Tumble                7                    16
Use Magic Device      4                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II


Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Improved Hide III


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently III


Level 11 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Improved Hide IV
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently IV


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack II


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance III


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III

**kernal42** · 06-13-2011, 06:55 PM

I always thought drow could use some rouge, on account of being so pale and all.

In other news, your two builds look the same to me. Are you sure you posted the correct refinement?

-Kernal

**Evex** · 06-13-2011, 07:01 PM

smacks forehead* I keep doing that and before any one says anything I know its spelt Rogue not rouge. Yes its the correct build I can tell because the character gen version is different. The old one was built in v 3.7.2 while the newer version is built in 3.9.1. The balance in the first build is 28, while the balance in the new build is only 18. Ack I'm sorry I meant to say skill points and not ability points. I can see where you would say the builds are the same from that mistake.

**Ookami007** · 06-13-2011, 07:20 PM

For a drow rogue, I'd go:

Str: 16 + 5 levels + 6 item + 2 tome +3 exp = 32
Dex: 15 + 2 tome + 2 enhancements + 6 item = 25
Con: 15 + 2 tome + 6 item +3 exp = 26
Int: 10 + 2 tome + 6 item + 2 capstone = 20
Wis: 8
Cha: 10 + 2 tome + 6 item = 18

For weapons, go rapiers with all the rapier enhancements.

1st - Toughness - don't bother with TWF until 3, you don't need the -2 to hit for a 50% chance on an offhand attack
3rd - TWF
6th - OTWF - for now, swap out later for Hamstring or Quickdraw
9th - ITWF
12th - IC: Piercing
15th - GTWF
18th - Power Attack

That will give you decent hp, good dps and decent UMD. Skills should be similiar to your choices - remember, jump is more important than tumble and you only need 15 in open lock.

**arcattaii** · 06-13-2011, 09:40 PM

INT: 18 + 5 level + 2 tome + 6 item + 3 exceptional + 2 cap = 36, Assassinate DC = 43

If you start your INT with 20, have ship buff and some luck of getting Litany and 3/4 tome, it could be higher... higher than any palemaster's wail/finger :P

**karl_k0ch** · 06-14-2011, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by Ookami007

For a drow rogue, I'd go:

Str: 16 + 5 levels + 6 item + 2 tome +3 exp = 32
Dex: 15 + 2 tome + 2 enhancements + 6 item = 25
Con: 15 + 2 tome + 6 item +3 exp = 26
Int: 10 + 2 tome + 6 item + 2 capstone = 20
Wis: 8
Cha: 10 + 2 tome + 6 item = 18

I'd probably do

16 Str
16 Dex
14 Con
12 Int
8 Wis
10 Cha.

Instead of the potential for +20 HP (15 Con instead of 14 Con), I'd rather have another skill and +1 on the Assassinate DC and +1 to Search and Disable as well as the potential for +1 Reflex.

I think that 14 Con is a good choice for a rogue. Especially for Drow, where 14 -> 15 costs 3 build points. If you are very confident with your playing skills, 12 Con can work, but I'm not generally recommending that.

I would not go Int based, though.

**Evex** · 06-14-2011, 05:47 PM

I just have a small question for you guys. You list the use of multiple tomes, but I was wondering how many tomes can be used per a character account ?

**stille_nacht** · 06-14-2011, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by kernal42

I always thought drow could use some rouge, on account of being so pale and all.

In other news, your two builds look the same to me. Are you sure you posted the correct refinement?

-Kernal

nono, the rouge actually pales our skin a little, on account of it being pitch black. Adds a nice lighter tint to the cheeks.

for rouge i recommend Bigsby's extra durable. Adventuring can really smear the rouge if it doesnt have a little magic to hold it on

**brzytki** · 06-14-2011, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Evex

I just have a small question for you guys. You list the use of multiple tomes, but I was wondering how many tomes can be used per a character account ?

You can use max 24 tomes per character (+1,+2,+3,+4 to all 6 abilities), but they don't stack - only highest score applies. So if u have 14 STR, use +2 STR tome and then use +3 STR tome, u'll end up having 17 STR.

**Evex** · 06-14-2011, 06:30 PM

That makes sense, so if we took my original stats in my first post. The only way for me to get tomes is through the auction house, and those can be rather expensive.

Strength 15
Dexterity 17
Constitution 14
Intelligence 12
Wisdom 8
Charisma 10

I all ready have enough points for the enhanced twin weapon fighting feats. By Ookami007 I all ready qualify as using a +2 dex tome, and would only need to use a + 1 dex tome to reach the 18 dex karl_k0ch numbers suggest. At current numbers though I would need a +3 str tome to reach 18 strength, and then a +2 tome for int, cha and con. That should give me the numbers every one is suggesting correct ? What does Ookami007 mean when he/she says something like 3 exp ?

**Evex** · 06-15-2011, 01:47 AM

I noticed while going over the build that I had taken a at least four dex enhancement bonuses, and I'm not exactly sure why I did that. It didn't seem to fit into the build, so I went back to the editor and began to play around with some things, and this is what I got.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Female
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 222
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 19
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    14
Dexterity            16                    25
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         16                    18
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             10                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    30
Bluff                 4                    29
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        7                    27
Haggle                0                    23
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  7                    40
Intimidate            0                     0
Jump                  6                    25
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         7                    40
Open Lock             7                    19
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     4
Search                7                    29
Spot                  3                    24
Swim                  2                     2
Tumble                7                    18
Use Magic Device      4                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II


Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Improved Hide III


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently III


Level 11 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Improved Hide IV
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently IV


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack II


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance III


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III

**Evex** · 06-23-2011, 07:17 PM

Trying to optimize the build a little bit. removed the dex enhancements and moved twin weapon fighting from lv 1 to feat to a level six feat and added resist poison as the level one feat. If I can find a way to get a hold of a +1 dex tome I might go:

str: 16
dex:16
con:14
int:12
wis: 8
cha: 10

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Xyrove Moonshadow
Level 20 Chaotic Good Drow Female
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 222
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 15
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    20
Dexterity            17                    17
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             10                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    17
Bluff                 0                    10
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        5                    25
Haggle                0                     0
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  7                    36
Intimidate            0                     0
Jump                  2                    21
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         7                    36
Open Lock             7                    26
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                    30
Spot                  3                    24
Swim                  2                     5
Tumble                7                    15
Use Magic Device      4                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Resist Poison
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Elven Perception I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II


Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Improved Hide III


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently III


Level 11 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Elven Perception II


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance III
Enhancement: Elven Perception III


Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Improved Hide IV
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently IV


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III

**karl_k0ch** · 06-26-2011, 05:24 AM

I know it's almost a necro, but I still feel inclined to respond, as I read the last post when it was posted, but I wasn't able to post for a while.

Re: the most recent build.
Yes, get a +Dex tome and take your proposed 16 Str/16 Dex split.

While you do have essentially one free feat slot to customize your build on a pure drow rogue which is fighting with rapiers, I do think that Resist Poison is a pretty bad choice. I'd rather pick up feat which helps you with your damage (Quickdraw, in particular), adds more Flexibility (Skill Focus: UMD) or plainly adds more HP (a second Toughness). OTWF is another option as it improves your to-hit, but then, Drow have two things which improve their to-hit: The racial weapon line, which gives a +Attack bonus, and the option to actually use short swords as a secondary weapon, as these are racial weapons as well.

Also, I do not think that Slippery Mind is really that great. I'd rather take a skill mastery. Slippery Mind essentially allows you to fail will based saves twice.

For more options, have a look in Draccus' thread linked in my sig.

**NaturalHazard** · 06-26-2011, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by kernal42

I always thought drow could use some rouge, on account of being so pale and all.

In other news, your two builds look the same to me. Are you sure you posted the correct refinement?

-Kernal

**** you kernal you stole my line, thats just what i wanted to say when I saw the thread title.

geez another necro.

i fall for it everytime.

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