Pure Drow Paladin tank

[chickengod]

Anyone got ideas for a build for a pure Drow Paladin tank? I'm looking to achieve KotC and DM IV.

Most builds I have found are mixed with other classes but I'd like to have at least one solid pure paladin drow specialized on rapier/shield or rapier/shortsword so that I won't have to waste a feat.

I'm not sure what skills to start with and stats since this is my first time to play pally. I know I will get tomes at higher levels but prefer to stick with items for the moment and put tomes as an optional if I ever get them.

Thoughts?

[Brian_of_Oz]

Here is a quick hate/threat tank build I put together for you based on the guidelines you provided. In the build I took Paladin Charisma I but it didnt work out to an even charisma score so some tweaking is needed on enhancements.

Character Generated Using: DDO Character Generator
Direct Link to Build: http://www.ddochargen.com/home.aspx?build=1455

Paladin 20
Male Drow Elf - Lawful Good
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LEVEL 1:
Race Selected: Male Drow Elf
Alignment Selected: Lawful Good
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 1)
Abilities Raised: STR: 16, CON: 12, INT: 14, CHA: 17
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +2 (2), Diplomacy +4 (4), 
Intimidate +4 (4), UMD +2 (2)
Feats Selected: Power Attack
Enhancements Selected: Follower of the Silver Flame, 
Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
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LEVEL 2:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 2)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (2.5), Diplomacy +1 (5), 
Intimidate +1 (5), UMD +0.5 (2.5)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Charisma I
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LEVEL 3:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 3)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (3), Diplomacy +1 (6), 
Intimidate +1 (6), UMD +0.5 (3)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Toughness I
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LEVEL 4:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 4)
Abilities Raised: CHA: 19
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (3.5), Diplomacy +1 (7), 
Intimidate +1 (7), UMD +0.5 (3.5)
Enhancements Selected: Drow Racial Weapon Damage I, 
Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I, Racial Toughness I, Paladin Toughness II, 
Paladin Courage of Good I, Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
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LEVEL 5:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 5)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (4), Diplomacy +1 (8), 
Intimidate +1 (8), UMD +0.5 (4)
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LEVEL 6:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 6)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (4.5), Diplomacy +1 (9), 
Intimidate +1 (9), UMD +0.5 (4.5)
Feats Selected: Shield Mastery
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Energy of the Templar I, 
Paladin Divine Might I, Paladin Knight of the Chalice I, 
Racial Toughness II, Paladin Exalted Smite I
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LEVEL 7:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 7)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (5), Diplomacy +1 (10), 
Intimidate +1 (10), UMD +0.5 (5)
Tomes Applied: STR: +2, CON: +2, CHA: +2
Enhancements Selected: Drow Racial Weapon Damage II
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LEVEL 8:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 8)
Abilities Raised: STR: 19
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (5.5), Diplomacy +1 (11), 
Intimidate +1 (11), UMD +0.5 (5.5)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Courage of Good II, 
Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
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LEVEL 9:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 9)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (6), Diplomacy +1 (12), 
Intimidate +1 (12), UMD +0.5 (6)
Feats Selected: Combat Expertise
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Toughness III
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LEVEL 10:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 10)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (6.5), Diplomacy +1 (13), 
Intimidate +1 (13), UMD +0.5 (6.5)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Toughness IV, 
Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
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LEVEL 11:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 11)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (7), Diplomacy +1 (14), 
Intimidate +1 (14), UMD +0.5 (7)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
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LEVEL 12:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 12)
Abilities Raised: STR: 20
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (7.5), Diplomacy +1 (15), 
Intimidate +1 (15), UMD +0.5 (7.5)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II, 
Paladin Divine Might II
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LEVEL 13:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 13)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (8), Diplomacy +1 (16), 
Intimidate +1 (16), UMD +0.5 (8)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
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LEVEL 14:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 14)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (8.5), Diplomacy +1 (17), 
Intimidate +1 (17), UMD +0.5 (8.5)
Enhancements Selected: Silver Flame Exorcism
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LEVEL 15:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 15)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (9), Diplomacy +1 (18), 
Intimidate +1 (18), UMD +0.5 (9)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Favor Bonus Granted: Draconic Vitality (15 Agents of Argonnessen Favor)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Divine Might III, 
Paladin Divine Righteousness I, Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
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LEVEL 16:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 16)
Abilities Raised: STR: 21
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (9.5), Diplomacy +1 (19), 
Intimidate +1 (19), UMD +0.5 (9.5)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
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LEVEL 17:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 17)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (10), Diplomacy +1 (20), 
Intimidate +1 (20), UMD +0.5 (10)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Exalted Smite II, 
Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
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LEVEL 18:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 18)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (10.5), Diplomacy +1 (21), 
Intimidate +1 (21), UMD +0.5 (10.5)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
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LEVEL 19:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 19)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (11), Diplomacy +1 (22), 
Intimidate +1 (22), UMD +0.5 (11)
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LEVEL 20:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 20)
Abilities Raised: STR: 22
Skills Ranks Raised: Diplomacy +1 (23), Intimidate +1 (23), 
Jump +1 (1)
Equipment Mods Changed To: HP: 50, STR: 6, CON: 6, 
CHA: 6, Intimidate: 15
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Exalted Smite III, 
Paladin Divine Might IV, Paladin Divine Sacrifice III
Stats at End of Level 20:
HP:528 SP:300 AC:11 FORT:18 REFL:7 WILL:6 BAB:+20/+20/+25/+30
STR:28(+9) DEX:10(0) CON:20(+5) INT:14(+2) WIS:8(-1) CHA:27(+8)
Balance:11, Bluff:8, Concentration:5, Diplomacy:31, 
Disable Device: n/a, Haggle:8, Heal:-1, Hide:0, Intimidate:46, 
Jump:10, Listen:1, Move Silently:0, Open Lock: n/a, 
Perform: n/a, Repair:2, Search:4, Spot:1, Swim:9, Tumble: n/a, UMD:19

[uthanak69]

Drow and Tank don't go together

[RudeIota]

Drow and Tank don't go together

No, they don't on the DDO forums at least.

Increased DEX, CHA and INT are perfect for Pally tanks.

DEX: Reflex saves, AC
CHA: It is your primary stat for damage and saves
INT: Extra point for Intimidate or Balance

If 20 less HP than their human counterpart ruins their tanking ability, that build had other problems. The innate, non-removable 10+clvl SR is of more value, in my opinion.

[RudeIota]

Anyone got ideas for a build for a pure Drow Paladin tank? I'm looking to achieve KotC and DM IV.

Just some observations..

DoS is a really powerful tool for tanking (a toggle for increased threat generation, better saves/AC/resistances against ALL enemies -- not just evil outsiders). It also offers a 20DR action boost. KotC is very useful too, but I think it may be somewhat misaligned with your goal unless you very specifically want to limit yourself to evil outsiders. It's totally cool if you want KotC though and I'm sure you can make it work in some way.

With Drow, Divine Might IV makes a lot of sense since you can get your CHA up pretty high without much effort.

With racial enhancements, rapiers make a lot of a sense. Better crit range than a short sword which is great for smites. But really it comes down to what the best weapon you find is.. If it happens to be a short sword, then that's cool too. :-)

Skills I think are non-negotiable are Intimidate (class skill) and Balance (not a class skill). UMD (not a class skill) is always good for versatility, but Pallys are already pretty versatile. Jump is good for any class starting out and anything else is pretty much icing on the cake.

Being an AC tank is very challenging for "end game" content. Sadly, it's nearly impossible for a 100% Paladin with anything but epic gear. However, DDO is just as much a journey as it is a destination so have fun along the way. :-) I'm thinking it'll be hard to focus on healing amplification (humans have it easy here) and you won't have evasion to fall back on so damage mitigation is limited (shield mastery helps though). To me, I see AC as your only true option to be an effective tank for as long as possible into the game... but also the most difficult route to take.

Some possibly useful feats for Pally tanks:

Toughness
Tower shield mastery
Shield Mastery (20% physical damage reduction)
Combat Expertise (requires 13 INT)


Good luck.

[Dulcimerist]

I made a Drow Paladin with TWF for DPS:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=291669
The toon is very fun to play, but it isn't considered a tank.

Be sure to read some of Junts paladin guides, as he has awesome advice.

[chickengod]

Just some observations..

DoS is a really powerful tool for tanking (a toggle for increased threat generation, better saves/AC/resistances against ALL enemies -- not just evil outsiders). It also offers a 20DR action boost. KotC is very useful too, but I think it may be somewhat misaligned with your goal unless you very specifically want to limit yourself to evil outsiders. It's totally cool if you want KotC though and I'm sure you can make it work in some way.

So you think Drow paladins make a better DPS than tank if i take KotC?

With Drow, Divine Might IV makes a lot of sense since you can get your CHA up pretty high without much effort.

With racial enhancements, rapiers make a lot of a sense. Better crit range than a short sword which is great for smites. But really it comes down to what the best weapon you find is.. If it happens to be a short sword, then that's cool too. :-)


Skills I think are non-negotiable are Intimidate (class skill) and Balance (not a class skill). UMD (not a class skill) is always good for versatility, but Pallys are already pretty versatile. Jump is good for any class starting out and anything else is pretty much icing on the cake.

I agree. I tried making my own but with 4 skill points per level its hard to up UMD, Balance, Jump, and Intimidate.

I tried making my own and stopped at Level 4. Didn't really make much progress as a tank pally.

Being an AC tank is very challenging for "end game" content. Sadly, it's nearly impossible for a 100% Paladin with anything but epic gear. However, DDO is just as much a journey as it is a destination so have fun along the way. :-) I'm thinking it'll be hard to focus on healing amplification (humans have it easy here) and you won't have evasion to fall back on so damage mitigation is limited (shield mastery helps though). To me, I see AC as your only true option to be an effective tank for as long as possible into the game... but also the most difficult route to take.

Some possibly useful feats for Pally tanks:

Toughness
Tower shield mastery
Shield Mastery (20% physical damage reduction)
Combat Expertise (requires 13 INT)


Good luck.

This makes me think of Drow pally DPS instead. Maybe dwarves will makes a better tank you think?

[chickengod]

Here is a quick hate/threat tank build I put together for you based on the guidelines you provided. In the build I took Paladin Charisma I but it didnt work out to an even charisma score so some tweaking is needed on enhancements.

Character Generated Using: DDO Character Generator
Direct Link to Build: http://www.ddochargen.com/home.aspx?build=1455

Paladin 20
Male Drow Elf - Lawful Good
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LEVEL 1:
Race Selected: Male Drow Elf
Alignment Selected: Lawful Good
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 1)
Abilities Raised: STR: 16, CON: 12, INT: 14, CHA: 17
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +2 (2), Diplomacy +4 (4), 
Intimidate +4 (4), UMD +2 (2)
Feats Selected: Power Attack
Enhancements Selected: Follower of the Silver Flame, 
Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
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LEVEL 2:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 2)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (2.5), Diplomacy +1 (5), 
Intimidate +1 (5), UMD +0.5 (2.5)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Charisma I
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LEVEL 3:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 3)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (3), Diplomacy +1 (6), 
Intimidate +1 (6), UMD +0.5 (3)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Toughness I
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LEVEL 4:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 4)
Abilities Raised: CHA: 19
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (3.5), Diplomacy +1 (7), 
Intimidate +1 (7), UMD +0.5 (3.5)
Enhancements Selected: Drow Racial Weapon Damage I, 
Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I, Racial Toughness I, Paladin Toughness II, 
Paladin Courage of Good I, Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
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LEVEL 5:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 5)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (4), Diplomacy +1 (8), 
Intimidate +1 (8), UMD +0.5 (4)
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LEVEL 6:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 6)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (4.5), Diplomacy +1 (9), 
Intimidate +1 (9), UMD +0.5 (4.5)
Feats Selected: Shield Mastery
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Energy of the Templar I, 
Paladin Divine Might I, Paladin Knight of the Chalice I, 
Racial Toughness II, Paladin Exalted Smite I
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LEVEL 7:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 7)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (5), Diplomacy +1 (10), 
Intimidate +1 (10), UMD +0.5 (5)
Tomes Applied: STR: +2, CON: +2, CHA: +2
Enhancements Selected: Drow Racial Weapon Damage II
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LEVEL 8:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 8)
Abilities Raised: STR: 19
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (5.5), Diplomacy +1 (11), 
Intimidate +1 (11), UMD +0.5 (5.5)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Courage of Good II, 
Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
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LEVEL 9:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 9)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (6), Diplomacy +1 (12), 
Intimidate +1 (12), UMD +0.5 (6)
Feats Selected: Combat Expertise
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Toughness III
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LEVEL 10:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 10)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (6.5), Diplomacy +1 (13), 
Intimidate +1 (13), UMD +0.5 (6.5)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Toughness IV, 
Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
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LEVEL 11:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 11)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (7), Diplomacy +1 (14), 
Intimidate +1 (14), UMD +0.5 (7)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
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LEVEL 12:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 12)
Abilities Raised: STR: 20
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (7.5), Diplomacy +1 (15), 
Intimidate +1 (15), UMD +0.5 (7.5)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II, 
Paladin Divine Might II
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LEVEL 13:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 13)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (8), Diplomacy +1 (16), 
Intimidate +1 (16), UMD +0.5 (8)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
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LEVEL 14:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 14)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (8.5), Diplomacy +1 (17), 
Intimidate +1 (17), UMD +0.5 (8.5)
Enhancements Selected: Silver Flame Exorcism
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LEVEL 15:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 15)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (9), Diplomacy +1 (18), 
Intimidate +1 (18), UMD +0.5 (9)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Favor Bonus Granted: Draconic Vitality (15 Agents of Argonnessen Favor)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Divine Might III, 
Paladin Divine Righteousness I, Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
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LEVEL 16:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 16)
Abilities Raised: STR: 21
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (9.5), Diplomacy +1 (19), 
Intimidate +1 (19), UMD +0.5 (9.5)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
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LEVEL 17:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 17)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (10), Diplomacy +1 (20), 
Intimidate +1 (20), UMD +0.5 (10)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Exalted Smite II, 
Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
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LEVEL 18:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 18)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (10.5), Diplomacy +1 (21), 
Intimidate +1 (21), UMD +0.5 (10.5)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
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LEVEL 19:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 19)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (11), Diplomacy +1 (22), 
Intimidate +1 (22), UMD +0.5 (11)
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LEVEL 20:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 20)
Abilities Raised: STR: 22
Skills Ranks Raised: Diplomacy +1 (23), Intimidate +1 (23), 
Jump +1 (1)
Equipment Mods Changed To: HP: 50, STR: 6, CON: 6, 
CHA: 6, Intimidate: 15
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Exalted Smite III, 
Paladin Divine Might IV, Paladin Divine Sacrifice III
Stats at End of Level 20:
HP:528 SP:300 AC:11 FORT:18 REFL:7 WILL:6 BAB:+20/+20/+25/+30
STR:28(+9) DEX:10(0) CON:20(+5) INT:14(+2) WIS:8(-1) CHA:27(+8)
Balance:11, Bluff:8, Concentration:5, Diplomacy:31, 
Disable Device: n/a, Haggle:8, Heal:-1, Hide:0, Intimidate:46, 
Jump:10, Listen:1, Move Silently:0, Open Lock: n/a, 
Perform: n/a, Repair:2, Search:4, Spot:1, Swim:9, Tumble: n/a, UMD:19

Thanks, this gives me a good idea what an end game paladin will look like. Since the points to use is hard to efficiently distribute I think I will base a DPS drow paladin on this build of yours.

+ rep to you.

[LordKhaan]

Here is a quick hate/threat tank build I put together for you based on the guidelines you provided. In the build I took Paladin Charisma I but it didnt work out to an even charisma score so some tweaking is needed on enhancements.

Character Generated Using: DDO Character Generator
Direct Link to Build: http://www.ddochargen.com/home.aspx?build=1455

Paladin 20
Male Drow Elf - Lawful Good
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LEVEL 1:
Race Selected: Male Drow Elf
Alignment Selected: Lawful Good
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 1)
Abilities Raised: STR: 16, CON: 12, INT: 14, CHA: 17
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +2 (2), Diplomacy +4 (4), 
Intimidate +4 (4), UMD +2 (2)
Feats Selected: Power Attack
Enhancements Selected: Follower of the Silver Flame, 
Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
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LEVEL 2:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 2)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (2.5), Diplomacy +1 (5), 
Intimidate +1 (5), UMD +0.5 (2.5)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Charisma I
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LEVEL 3:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 3)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (3), Diplomacy +1 (6), 
Intimidate +1 (6), UMD +0.5 (3)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Toughness I
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LEVEL 4:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 4)
Abilities Raised: CHA: 19
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (3.5), Diplomacy +1 (7), 
Intimidate +1 (7), UMD +0.5 (3.5)
Enhancements Selected: Drow Racial Weapon Damage I, 
Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I, Racial Toughness I, Paladin Toughness II, 
Paladin Courage of Good I, Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
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LEVEL 5:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 5)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (4), Diplomacy +1 (8), 
Intimidate +1 (8), UMD +0.5 (4)
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LEVEL 6:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 6)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (4.5), Diplomacy +1 (9), 
Intimidate +1 (9), UMD +0.5 (4.5)
Feats Selected: Shield Mastery
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Energy of the Templar I, 
Paladin Divine Might I, Paladin Knight of the Chalice I, 
Racial Toughness II, Paladin Exalted Smite I
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LEVEL 7:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 7)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (5), Diplomacy +1 (10), 
Intimidate +1 (10), UMD +0.5 (5)
Tomes Applied: STR: +2, CON: +2, CHA: +2
Enhancements Selected: Drow Racial Weapon Damage II
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LEVEL 8:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 8)
Abilities Raised: STR: 19
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (5.5), Diplomacy +1 (11), 
Intimidate +1 (11), UMD +0.5 (5.5)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Courage of Good II, 
Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
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LEVEL 9:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 9)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (6), Diplomacy +1 (12), 
Intimidate +1 (12), UMD +0.5 (6)
Feats Selected: Combat Expertise
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Toughness III
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LEVEL 10:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 10)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (6.5), Diplomacy +1 (13), 
Intimidate +1 (13), UMD +0.5 (6.5)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Toughness IV, 
Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
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LEVEL 11:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 11)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (7), Diplomacy +1 (14), 
Intimidate +1 (14), UMD +0.5 (7)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
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LEVEL 12:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 12)
Abilities Raised: STR: 20
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (7.5), Diplomacy +1 (15), 
Intimidate +1 (15), UMD +0.5 (7.5)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II, 
Paladin Divine Might II
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LEVEL 13:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 13)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (8), Diplomacy +1 (16), 
Intimidate +1 (16), UMD +0.5 (8)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
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LEVEL 14:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 14)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (8.5), Diplomacy +1 (17), 
Intimidate +1 (17), UMD +0.5 (8.5)
Enhancements Selected: Silver Flame Exorcism
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LEVEL 15:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 15)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (9), Diplomacy +1 (18), 
Intimidate +1 (18), UMD +0.5 (9)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Favor Bonus Granted: Draconic Vitality (15 Agents of Argonnessen Favor)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Divine Might III, 
Paladin Divine Righteousness I, Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
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LEVEL 16:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 16)
Abilities Raised: STR: 21
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (9.5), Diplomacy +1 (19), 
Intimidate +1 (19), UMD +0.5 (9.5)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
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LEVEL 17:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 17)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (10), Diplomacy +1 (20), 
Intimidate +1 (20), UMD +0.5 (10)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Exalted Smite II, 
Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
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LEVEL 18:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 18)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (10.5), Diplomacy +1 (21), 
Intimidate +1 (21), UMD +0.5 (10.5)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
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LEVEL 19:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 19)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (11), Diplomacy +1 (22), 
Intimidate +1 (22), UMD +0.5 (11)
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LEVEL 20:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 20)
Abilities Raised: STR: 22
Skills Ranks Raised: Diplomacy +1 (23), Intimidate +1 (23), 
Jump +1 (1)
Equipment Mods Changed To: HP: 50, STR: 6, CON: 6, 
CHA: 6, Intimidate: 15
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Exalted Smite III, 
Paladin Divine Might IV, Paladin Divine Sacrifice III
Stats at End of Level 20:
HP:528 SP:300 AC:11 FORT:18 REFL:7 WILL:6 BAB:+20/+20/+25/+30
STR:28(+9) DEX:10(0) CON:20(+5) INT:14(+2) WIS:8(-1) CHA:27(+8)
Balance:11, Bluff:8, Concentration:5, Diplomacy:31, 
Disable Device: n/a, Haggle:8, Heal:-1, Hide:0, Intimidate:46, 
Jump:10, Listen:1, Move Silently:0, Open Lock: n/a, 
Perform: n/a, Repair:2, Search:4, Spot:1, Swim:9, Tumble: n/a, UMD:19

Enhancement raises to CHA wont help you getting to Might IV. It has to be natual. IE either selected at start, or the addition of tomes. Anything else, such as Items or Enhancements wont apply.
If you have a +2 CHA tome, drop CHA to 16 and add the tome at lvl 7. Alternatively look for a +1 Cha tome (only about 20k on the AH) and keep it at 17.

My concern with this build is the CON, 12 CON on a tank seems a little shy. Your looking about about 240 HP at lvl 20 with no Item. if you include toughness as a feat 262. So with +45 Shroud and GFL your still not even coming to 350. To put this into perspective my Palemaster has more HP with LESS HP GEAR. Hell Ive seen rogues with more HP. You might battle to fill your role based on that. (perhaps rethink and go DPS pally if your set on drow)

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[Snapdragoon]

i see so many people dis drow as being squishy. . .if YOUR drow is squishy YOU did something wrong. the problem is people dumping the smart gameply stat -_-

however im not sure about tank, but Drow make good TWF pally DPS because of high Cha and Dex, as Dulcimerist recomended, Junts guides on pally are really great.

[MsEricka]

Increased DEX, CHA and INT are perfect for Pally tanks.

DEX: Reflex saves, AC
CHA: It is your primary stat for damage and saves
INT: Extra point for Intimidate or Balance

As a paladin your AC will suck unless you go Defender of Siberys and get a LOT of gear. Forget Dex unless you need Two Weapon Fighting. If you need TWF go 15 base dex and use a +2 tome.

Charisma is not your primary stat for damage. That _wording_ is an epic fail. Strength is your primary stat for damage, charisma is used for smiting which is additional damage.

Forget INT, dump it and take a +2 tome at level 7.

Four toughness feats, four paladin toughness enhancements, combat expertise and shield mastery on a paladin do not make a good build. No improved critical means less damage on smites, and on a high crit range weapon like a rapier improved critical is awesome. As I already stated your AC will be junk, CE is a total waste.

The innate, non-removable 10+clvl SR is of more value, in my opinion.

Lorinthor's set gives you SR 22, eight more SR is not a reason to use the build above.

Base 12 CON is a fail for a build that someone is asking to be a "tank".

Go Human for the extra feat and forget drow. Paladins already have access to rapiers as part of the martial weapons feat granted at level 1.

16/15/15/8/8/14 is a good place to start for two weapon fighting

Feats (in no particular order)
Toughness x2
TWF
ITWF
GTWF
Power Attack
Extend
Improved Critical (slashing or piercing, depending on your main weapon type)

Take paladin toughness 2 and racial toughness 2. This saves you action points and gets you the same amount of HP

All points into STR

STR 16 +2 tome +6 item +5 levels +human adapt str = 30
DEX 15 +2 tome = 17
CON 15 +2 tome +6 item +1 human greater adapt con = 24
INT 8 +2 tome = 10
WIS 8 +2 tome +6 item = 16
CHA 14 +2 tome +6 item + 2 paladin cha = 24

Nice and simple with no hard to find gear except for tomes (buy em in the ddo store if you need to)

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16/8/17/8/9/15 is a good place to start for two handed fighting. However you also stated sword and board (not a good idea). If you do choose sword and board you can drop THF, ITHF and GTHF and add whatever you'd like (3 more toughness feats if you really want or MAYBE shield mastery).

Feats (in no particular order)
Toughness x2
THF
ITHF
GTHF
Power Attack
Extend
Improved Critical (slashing or piercing, depending on your main weapon type)

All points into STR

Take paladin toughness 2 and racial toughness 2. This saves you action points and gets you the same amount of HP

STR 16 +2 tome +6 item +5 levels +1 human adapt = 30
DEX 8 +2 tome = 10
CON 17 +2 tome +6 item +1 human greater adapt con = 26
INT 8 +2 tome = 10
WIS 9 +2 tome +6 item = 17 (odd build point was put here)
CHA 15 +2 tome +6 item + 3 paladin cha = 26

Again nice and simple with no hard to find gear except for tomes (buy em in the ddo store if you need to).

If you plan on getting Epic gear or ToD rings then you can play with the stats a little to even things out, but either build is solid and easy enough for anyone to do.

No matter what way you go, choose Hunter of the Dead at level 6 and at level 15 or 16 switch your enhancements to take Knight of the Chalice instead.

[unbongwah]

It's pretty easy to turn any paladin into a decent hate-tank: Divine Righteousness + max Intim (maybe with some enhs) + threat-boosting gear (e.g., Vulkoor's Might set, DT armor w/Incite) is really all you need. If you want a high-AC tank, though, that takes a lot more effort, both in your build and your gear; it's also a lot trickier to pull off as a pure pally because of feat shortage.

If you're new to pallies, I recommend sticking with a pure DPSadin; a TWF drow like Junts's build or my own is a good place to start. Once you're familiar with the class, you can decide whether you want to commit yourself to the tank gear grind.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Female
(20 Paladin) 
Hit Points: 322
Spell Points: 300 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 16
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    22
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             17                    20

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Paladin Weapons of Good
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack II
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage I
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite IV
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might IV

[Doomcrew]

Here is a quick hate/threat tank build I put together for you based on the guidelines you provided. In the build I took Paladin Charisma I but it didnt work out to an even charisma score so some tweaking is needed on enhancements.

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Paladin 20
Male Drow Elf - Lawful Good
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LEVEL 1:
Race Selected: Male Drow Elf
Alignment Selected: Lawful Good
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 1)
Abilities Raised: STR: 16, CON: 12, INT: 14, CHA: 17
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +2 (2), Diplomacy +4 (4), 
Intimidate +4 (4), UMD +2 (2)
Feats Selected: Power Attack
Enhancements Selected: Follower of the Silver Flame, 
Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
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LEVEL 2:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 2)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (2.5), Diplomacy +1 (5), 
Intimidate +1 (5), UMD +0.5 (2.5)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Charisma I
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LEVEL 3:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 3)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (3), Diplomacy +1 (6), 
Intimidate +1 (6), UMD +0.5 (3)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Toughness I
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LEVEL 4:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 4)
Abilities Raised: CHA: 19
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (3.5), Diplomacy +1 (7), 
Intimidate +1 (7), UMD +0.5 (3.5)
Enhancements Selected: Drow Racial Weapon Damage I, 
Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I, Racial Toughness I, Paladin Toughness II, 
Paladin Courage of Good I, Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
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LEVEL 5:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 5)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (4), Diplomacy +1 (8), 
Intimidate +1 (8), UMD +0.5 (4)
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LEVEL 6:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 6)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (4.5), Diplomacy +1 (9), 
Intimidate +1 (9), UMD +0.5 (4.5)
Feats Selected: Shield Mastery
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Energy of the Templar I, 
Paladin Divine Might I, Paladin Knight of the Chalice I, 
Racial Toughness II, Paladin Exalted Smite I
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LEVEL 7:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 7)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (5), Diplomacy +1 (10), 
Intimidate +1 (10), UMD +0.5 (5)
Tomes Applied: STR: +2, CON: +2, CHA: +2
Enhancements Selected: Drow Racial Weapon Damage II
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LEVEL 8:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 8)
Abilities Raised: STR: 19
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (5.5), Diplomacy +1 (11), 
Intimidate +1 (11), UMD +0.5 (5.5)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Courage of Good II, 
Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
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LEVEL 9:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 9)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (6), Diplomacy +1 (12), 
Intimidate +1 (12), UMD +0.5 (6)
Feats Selected: Combat Expertise
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Toughness III
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LEVEL 10:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 10)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (6.5), Diplomacy +1 (13), 
Intimidate +1 (13), UMD +0.5 (6.5)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Toughness IV, 
Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
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LEVEL 11:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 11)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (7), Diplomacy +1 (14), 
Intimidate +1 (14), UMD +0.5 (7)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
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LEVEL 12:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 12)
Abilities Raised: STR: 20
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (7.5), Diplomacy +1 (15), 
Intimidate +1 (15), UMD +0.5 (7.5)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II, 
Paladin Divine Might II
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LEVEL 13:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 13)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (8), Diplomacy +1 (16), 
Intimidate +1 (16), UMD +0.5 (8)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
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LEVEL 14:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 14)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (8.5), Diplomacy +1 (17), 
Intimidate +1 (17), UMD +0.5 (8.5)
Enhancements Selected: Silver Flame Exorcism
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LEVEL 15:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 15)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (9), Diplomacy +1 (18), 
Intimidate +1 (18), UMD +0.5 (9)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Favor Bonus Granted: Draconic Vitality (15 Agents of Argonnessen Favor)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Divine Might III, 
Paladin Divine Righteousness I, Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
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LEVEL 16:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 16)
Abilities Raised: STR: 21
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (9.5), Diplomacy +1 (19), 
Intimidate +1 (19), UMD +0.5 (9.5)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
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LEVEL 17:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 17)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (10), Diplomacy +1 (20), 
Intimidate +1 (20), UMD +0.5 (10)
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Exalted Smite II, 
Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
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LEVEL 18:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 18)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (10.5), Diplomacy +1 (21), 
Intimidate +1 (21), UMD +0.5 (10.5)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
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LEVEL 19:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 19)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (11), Diplomacy +1 (22), 
Intimidate +1 (22), UMD +0.5 (11)
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LEVEL 20:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 20)
Abilities Raised: STR: 22
Skills Ranks Raised: Diplomacy +1 (23), Intimidate +1 (23), 
Jump +1 (1)
Equipment Mods Changed To: HP: 50, STR: 6, CON: 6, 
CHA: 6, Intimidate: 15
Enhancements Selected: Paladin Exalted Smite III, 
Paladin Divine Might IV, Paladin Divine Sacrifice III
Stats at End of Level 20:
HP:528 SP:300 AC:11 FORT:18 REFL:7 WILL:6 BAB:+20/+20/+25/+30
STR:28(+9) DEX:10(0) CON:20(+5) INT:14(+2) WIS:8(-1) CHA:27(+8)
Balance:11, Bluff:8, Concentration:5, Diplomacy:31, 
Disable Device: n/a, Haggle:8, Heal:-1, Hide:0, Intimidate:46, 
Jump:10, Listen:1, Move Silently:0, Open Lock: n/a, 
Perform: n/a, Repair:2, Search:4, Spot:1, Swim:9, Tumble: n/a, UMD:19

Curious as to why a tank would want a max'd out diplo?

edit: see Junts guide for Pali's when starting down the Pali path.

[MeatSheild]

I just have issues with the 12 base CON and tanking being put in the same build. Even with the top end gear and +4 tome your unlikely to break 600hp (you MIGHT be able to get in the 550ish range). Maybe with 3 PL of barb you could get the hp, some of the gear, and some more build points that you need to make this build a viable end game tank. Capstone pali's are great and I have one that I love to play (thank you Junts). I origanally tried a build with a base of 14 Con but I would grab aggro of a boss and die swiftly (no tome or gs) so I LR'ed went with a 16 CON ate a +2 tome have been a backup tank/suluu hate tank. I dual Kopshes and only have a DM III, but would not even try to main tank horrath. If your dead set on tanking you also might try 2 lvs of monk the evation helps and the 2 extra feats wont hurt (as well as some other pluses).