Putting things up for roll

[TheWalruss]

Did an epic Demon Queen raid tonight where I won the roll for a +4 int tome. I was playing my warrior that's going to be TRed into a pure barbarian very soon.

When I won the roll, the person who put it up for roll decided that I couldn't get the tome because people who rolled lower rolls were more qualified because of their class.

The person who got the tome looted it of course. No second thoughts there, hehe.

But really, what I'm saying is it would be nice if people who put stuff up for roll would be more clear in who can actually roll for the item BEFORE they put it up for roll. Similarly people who receive an item in an awkward way could think twice before looting it ;-)

Anyway, just wanted to make this something people could think about since this 'trade' happened between two prominent guilds on Cannith. I felt mildly neglected in that trade, tbh.

If anyone doesn't believe it send me a tell and I'll share the video.

[redspecter23]

The person that put it up for roll probably should have mentioned that the roll was for wizards, rogues and maybe anyone else that can make a case as to why it really helps their build. That's what I do when tomes come up. I don't know what you have planned for your Barb, but without knowing, I would have to assume it really doesn't add that much to a barb. Certainly not to the extent that it helps a wizard, or rogue, or even a dex ac build with combat expertise.

Now having said that, I would not have rolled on the tome if I were in your situation. If an int tome is up for roll and wizards, etc are rolling, it would be a low move to roll on a fighter tr'ing into a barb. Does it help you? Sure, but it could also get you on some blacklists too and that's just not worth it to me.

[Hokiewa]

Did an epic Demon Queen raid tonight where I won the roll for a +4 int tome. I was playing my warrior that's going to be TRed into a pure barbarian very soon.

When I won the roll, the person who put it up for roll decided that I couldn't get the tome because people who rolled lower rolls were more qualified because of their class.

The person who got the tome looted it of course. No second thoughts there, hehe.

But really, what I'm saying is it would be nice if people who put stuff up for roll would be more clear in who can actually roll for the item BEFORE they put it up for roll. Similarly people who receive an item in an awkward way could think twice before looting it ;-)

Anyway, just wanted to make this something people could think about since this 'trade' happened between two prominent guilds on Cannith. I felt mildly neglected in that trade, tbh.

If anyone doesn't believe it send me a tell and I'll share the video.

Without getting into the "loot drama" deeply, why would you roll on a +4 int tome? Knowing your tr'ing into a barb? No disrespect intended, but why? Just because?

Personally, I would never roll on an item 1 TR deep....and even then I would likely give pause. I certainly would never "roll" on a +4 stat tome that neither my current or next life class would take advantage of.

I find this story odd.....

Maybe just me.

[Musouka]

Meh, it isn't the worst. I do remember a rogue rolling and winning a +4 Charisma tome over many other characters that had classes that could've used it with better advantage.

[Hokiewa]

Meh, it isn't the worst. I do remember a rogue rolling and winning a +4 Charisma tome over many other characters that had classes that could've used it with better advantage.

Hmm, I would disagree. I could see a rogue grabbing another +2 to UMD but what's a barb going to do with +4 int? Combat expertise?

[Trillea]

Hmm, I would disagree. I could see a rogue grabbing another +2 to UMD but what's a barb going to do with +4 int? Combat expertise?

Naah - barb/rog mix with trap skills. Actually pretty viable with a +4 INT tome..

[Maxallu]

Loot drama... In all honesty, even if you were to use it on your next life, you would not even notice it. Should just be happy that someone got something that they could use and greatly benefit from.


Bummer though. I remember being upset in a VOD when some old sounding geaser decided that only rogues could roll on the goggles because they are a "Rogue item," but I was not upset enough to complain about it on the forums to strangers just so they could pity me.

Forget it, move on, have fun.

[Hokiewa]

Naah - barb/rog mix with trap skills. Actually pretty viable with a +4 INT tome..

I would somewhat accept that as an end-game toon....i.e. TRs done...(again we are talking +2 skp per level...10 total) but the OP didn't state anything about a mix; in fact, he stated a "pure" barbarian". Again, I'm not judging but I would never roll on it given the information at hand. I'm not absolving the original puller either. That player should have clarified pre-roll the stipulations. To make a stink of it though, with the information at hand, is "hinky" to me.

[Musouka]

Hmm, I would disagree. I could see a rogue grabbing another +2 to UMD but what's a barb going to do with +4 int? Combat expertise?

I would see it as +1 more to UMD, as a rogue in a raid dropping +4 tomes should have a +2 tome readily available.

[Trillea]

I would somewhat accept that as an end-game toon....i.e. TRs done...(again we are talking +2 skp per level...10 total) but the OP didn't state anything about a mix; in fact, he stated a "pure" barbarian". Again, I'm not judging but I would never roll on it given the information at hand. I'm not absolving the original puller either. That player should have clarified pre-roll the stipulations. To make a stink of it though, with the information at hand, is "hinky" to me.

Umm, how is a +4INT tome only 10 skill points? Don't forget that with a lesser heart that tomes are partially retroactive.

[Hokiewa]

Umm, how is a +4INT tome only 10 skill points? Don't forget that with a lesser heart that tomes are partially retroactive.

Bad math, it's actually less. I would assume that a pure barbarian (as indicated by the OP) interested in INT has already consumed a +2 tome. At level 15, consuming a +4 tome would net him/her another 6 points (+1 skp per level) upon achieving level 20. This is assuming the barb did not choose an INT point at 4/8/12 or started with an odd INT stat.....etc....Let's not make it more complicated then it needs to be.

[BruxaDo71]

I was on that raid. Honestly my firsts thought were that you should got the tome (everyone is allowed to roll and you won), but now, knowing you are going to TR into a barbarian, I changed my opinion, was better as it happened.
I think that tome is useful for your barbarian as is useful for the cleric who pulled it, so he relinquished (not if this is the correct term) the tome to someone else get a better use for that.
Anyway, your loot your choice, right?

Anyway, just wanted to make this something people could think about since this 'trade' happened between two prominent guilds on Cannith. I felt mildly neglected in that trade, tbh.

If anyone doesn't believe it send me a tell and I'll share the video.

I'm not sure what is your intention here, to be honest looks like some kind of "look these guild they messed with me now black list then if you want". I'm from the same guild of the guy who passed the tome (not traded, he haven't received anything back), and I'm not afraid to say we are from Épicos de Eberron, since there is no big deal in this loot drama.

Also, I'm officer and member of the high council (lol), if you have something to say you can PM me here.

[Yalann]

Did an epic Demon Queen raid tonight where I won the roll for a +4 int tome. I was playing my warrior that's going to be TRed into a pure barbarian very soon.

When I won the roll, the person who put it up for roll decided that I couldn't get the tome because people who rolled lower rolls were more qualified because of their class.

The person who got the tome looted it of course. No second thoughts there, hehe.

But really, what I'm saying is it would be nice if people who put stuff up for roll would be more clear in who can actually roll for the item BEFORE they put it up for roll. Similarly people who receive an item in an awkward way could think twice before looting it ;-)

Anyway, just wanted to make this something people could think about since this 'trade' happened between two prominent guilds on Cannith. I felt mildly neglected in that trade, tbh.

If anyone doesn't believe it send me a tell and I'll share the video.

Generally, when people put loot up for roll, they like to give the party the benefit of the doubt that they will only roll on something they could reasonably use. By your logic of wanting skill points for a pure barb, the original person should have looted it himself if he didn't have one. Should everyone specifically state who can roll for items on every single roll when most people are reasonable?

Anyways, what it comes down to is 'your loot is your loot'. They decided who to give it to and it wasn't you. They apparently explained their reasoning. I honestly would have done exactly what they did after seeing a fighter win it for his barb life with wizards/rogues in the party.

[nolaureltree000]

i cant say i blame the guy who put the tome up for roll. id have probably done the same thing.

[NinjaNeed]

i cant say i blame the guy who put the tome up for roll. id have probably done the same thing.

This^^

I say shame on you rolling on an int tome. I would have done EXACTLY the same as the guy in the raid.

When it comes to rare loot only those who can use it in that life should roll. This is not exclusive to tomes, I would not give Marlith Chain to a caster or Torq to a barbarian.

[bando]

Sounds pretty crappy to me.

1) Yes, someone TR'ing into a barb should not have rolled on it.

2) But he did, and after winning the roll, was informed that he couldn't have it. If you're going to make stipulations on a roll, you need to do them before.

3) Once you put your loot up for roll, it's not really your loot anymore. I'd be pretty angry if I won a roll and some guy decided that he wanted to pass it to someone else (who didn't win the roll). If you want to pass it, pass it. Don't offer it to high roller and then think better of it.

Boo to the barb rolling for an int tome

Boo to the guy not passing to high roll

[Uska]

Meh, it isn't the worst. I do remember a rogue rolling and winning a +4 Charisma tome over many other characters that had classes that could've used it with better advantage.

No that isnt quite as bad as a fighter or barb wanting an int tome at least the rogue could get some real use out of it but the rogue shouldnt have rolled anyways and if had been my tome he would have been excluded if there had been a bard, socerer, fvs, or paladin in the group

[PresentTense]

But really, what I'm saying is it would be nice if people who put stuff up for roll would be more clear in who can actually roll for the item BEFORE they put it up for roll.

This is the sort of "well, no one told me beforehand!" attitude that gives us silly warning labels like these - http://www.google.com/search?q=silly...abels&tbm=isch. I'm sorry, it's just common sense that you shouldn't roll on this sort of thing, for the same reason my wizard isn't going to roll on an encrusted ring. If you pull it, feel free to loot it, though you might get some strange looks. But with the TR system, anything is possible. Otherwise, everyone in pug raids will have even cruddier gear than they already do because the healers will have madstone boots, the casters will have Lorrik's necklaces and the fighters will be oh so smurt with their +4 int tomes.

Like I said, with the TR system, anything is possible, and if you had said "I'm planning to TR into a wizard/rogue/exploiter/etc.", that's awesome. And it's certainly taken too far by some people who only let wizards roll on napkins, rogues roll on Tharne's Goggles, etc. But there is a baseline of common sense and common courtesy that goes into pulling together a group of strangers to accomplish a goal, and imho, you violated it by rolling on something that does you so little good in comparison to what it can do to a character that actually wears an intelligence item. If you didn't say anything else, I probably would have ignored your roll and assumed it was a joke.

[Forzah]

I'd roll for it on my trapmonkey barb

[Yalina]

Well, when you put something up for roll, you should tell who can roll for it, otherwise everyone allowed to roll for the item. Last time in Von there were 3 healers, and the helm of mroraron dropped on my melee, and I put it up for roll only for healers. Everyone could tell strange loot stories, cause those happen every day, so I guess we just need to be more specific with rolls these days - people are greedy, they are like the little kobolds from the pirate event, seeing something nice and sigh the word "shiny".