Let's talk about the update 11 raid

[altrocks]

Are you calling the idea nice or did you just see his e-peen and are commenting on it?

Why can't it be both?

[Diyon]

That's only the metallic ones (generally one damaging breath, one incapacitating). Chromatic ones are a little weaker than the most similar metallic, and have only one breath.

You're right. Thanks for the clarification.

[Grandesa]

I'm not even kidding, I laughed so hard that I think I pulled a muscle.

But how are your 4 wizards 3 bards and 4 clerics going to keep you alive and buffed if they can't drink pots?

ok on these thoughts.. lets change it up a lil.. the Epic DR. I like that thought, make the fight challenging..

the Head explosion thing if you drink a SP pot?
LMAO..
go with this idea instead,
1. you can consume only one Health Potion at anytime during combat
2. apply the same as above with spell point potion.
This will present a challenge and maybe make all those blade swinging happy DPS, aggro grabbing peeps to pay more attention to their healers, bards, etc.. so when your healer yells (excuse the WoW reference) OOM!! that means your dead. so DPS is fine just watch your own HP and realize what the healer has, he has to make last across the whole raid.

[altrocks]

ok on these thoughts.. lets change it up a lil.. the Epic DR. I like that thought, make the fight challenging..

the Head explosion thing if you drink a SP pot?
LMAO..
go with this idea instead,
1. you can consume only one Health Potion at anytime during combat
2. apply the same as above with spell point potion.
This will present a challenge and maybe make all those blade swinging happy DPS, aggro grabbing peeps to pay more attention to their healers, bards, etc.. so when your healer yells (excuse the WoW reference) OOM!! that means your dead. so DPS is fine just watch your own HP and realize what the healer has, he has to make last across the whole raid.

We have a no healing restriction in Abbot on asteroids and despite it being the easiest minigame in there, It usually fails the most. In an actual full raid something like that would make people not want to run it, which means no one buys the pack which is not what Turbine wants, I'm sure.

[NaturalHazard]

I think we should put in a spell that keeps barbarians from raging or using frenzy when fighting the main boss...

But at some other point of the quest, we can put in a high number strength lever, so the barbarians have something else to do.

I'm sure that would go over well.

or go into a raid where your physical attributes where swapped with your mental attributes? It could never be coded implemented but it sure would be pretty funny.

DM waves magic wand, TADA!! instant gimp party.

[Qezuzu]

Had a thought for a boss ability.

Shattermind Strike: If struck with this attack, your maximum SP is reduced by 500. This effect stacks with itself and can only be reversed by resting.

[sirdanile]

We have a no healing restriction in Abbot on asteroids and despite it being the easiest minigame in there, It usually fails the most. In an actual full raid something like that would make people not want to run it, which means no one buys the pack which is not what Turbine wants, I'm sure.

I can solo asteroids, but add a big half orc blocking my view and jumping around like a frenzied idiot and **** am I gonna miss a few...

What I want to see out of a new raid is... wait for it.... DRACOLICH!

[vermentto]

bawhahahahahah
"DR 100/epic "....bwahahahahah
"mnemonic thinguie emorage "....bwahahahahahaha
"can only use weapons from the raid "....bwahahahahahah
i laughed so hard.thx , shade , to bring me , everytime i read one of your post , an unstoppable laugh that can last for minutes....thx , really.
what a great humorist ...o its not humor ? you re serious ? bawahahahahahahahahah[...]

[Ungood]

Give us another titan/abbot. We loved those raids,

We do? We did? News to me.

[abrownbear9108]

tl;dr (pages 2-11@ 20 replies per page) just scanned for Dev input. Not suprised that there has been no posts from devs

[Shade]

We do? We did? News to me.

Yep.

You might not be included in "we"

But "we" being the few of us still playing after all these years after we played those original raid versions sure did. Even tho we often stood no chance, we attempted to beat titan 30+ times before they nerfed it, it was a blast.

Easily winning every time with no challenge isn't always the most fun.

[Shade]

bawhahahahahah
"DR 100/epic "....bwahahahahah
"mnemonic thinguie emorage "....bwahahahahahaha
"can only use weapons from the raid "....bwahahahahahah
i laughed so hard.thx , shade , to bring me , everytime i read one of your post , an unstoppable laugh that can last for minutes....thx , really.
what a great humorist ...o its not humor ? you re serious ? bawahahahahahahahahah[...]

All of those things only apply to 1 difficulty mode thats not intended for you.

Whats funny is your greedy enough to want to have everything for yourself. The game has different modes for player enjoy different things for a reason. the modes intended your yourself have none of that.

Theres 4 settings, not every one should be for every player. And the hardest one should never be considered the default for the most basic casual player like it is now for certain raids.

[Dazalarian]

Wasn't there a continuation of the Reaver storyline which hinted of a Dracolich? that could have all the possibilities of beeing a truly awesome raid.

Cheers,
-Daz

[Dunklerlindwurm]

All of those things only apply to 1 difficulty mode thats not intended for you.

Whats funny is your greedy enough to want to have everything for yourself. The game has different modes for player enjoy different things for a reason. the modes intended your yourself have none of that.

Theres 4 settings, not every one should be for every player. And the hardest one should never be considered the default for the most basic casual player like it is now for certain raids.

Well said.

Problem is..i dont think the devs agree with this

[Ungood]

Yep.

You might not be included in "we"

But "we" being the few of us still playing after all these years after we played those original raid versions sure did. Even tho we often stood no chance, we attempted to beat titan 30+ times before they nerfed it, it was a blast.

Easily winning every time with no challenge isn't always the most fun.

And I disagree, the last thing we need is another Abbot/Titan, because as it stands currently, even after the "nerf", Titan and Abbot seem to the lest run of all the raids. Which I might add makes then only slightly less run then Chronoscope at level. (on my server at least)

This is the idea I have for how I feel would be the best way to introduce harder higher-level content. Higher Level Content

[Shade]

And I disagree, the last thing we need is another Abbot/Titan, because as it stands currently, even after the "nerf", Titan and Abbot seem to the lest run of all the raids. Which I might add makes then only slightly less run then Chronoscope at level. (on my server at least)

Abbot is run extremely frequently on khyber.

Titan is never ran. Not because of the difficulty.
Because the loot is 100% outdated and worthless now.
Epic titan could fix this.

[Shade]

Well said.

Problem is..i dont think the devs agree with this

I know at least madfloyd agrees with it, maybe even majormalphunktion based on his last post about the new abbot. Just need to get the other devs on board too.

[Calebro]

I typed out a long response here, and then I deleted it because I didn't want the infractions that would have come with it.
Let it suffice to say that making a bunch of outlandish suggestions such as DR 100/epic and instant death upon drinking a mana pot, which are ridiculous suggestions that suit your personal play style, and then having the gonads to say something like this:

Whats funny is your greedy enough to want to have everything for yourself.

is beyond hypocritical.

Pot, meet kettle.

[spawnofpoorlighting]

I've often felt that a system of high DR that breaks upon gaining certain effects would be interesting. I thought a boss with Big DR/Ethereal (or something like that) would be interesting if the ethereal property came from running down a lane into another part of the raid map, bashing a crystal and high-tailing it back to swing at the boss.

Similar to the way the Training Dummy gives us the "Hours of Practice" buff, each crystal could give a buff (effect) that had properties allowing us to beat DR. This could include casters by having the buff include a huge chance to bypass the bosses massive SR (but then people would use spells with no check suggestions anyone?).

As far as increasing build variety goes, each lane could have respawn rates etc. and require different abilities to reach each crystal. Yes there's a crystal that needs monk/FvS jumps. But others could require high fort, will, evasion or even AC! This way the higher the variety of members in a party the more lanes can be used and the more quickly and easily the boss can be defeated. Bonus points if the lanes are randomized.

That's an idea that I've wanted to see for a while, something that increases the number of viable top-end builds and helps to prevent any player from feeling that they are useless (unless they really did screw up like the high CHA/WIS barbarian that never makes it past level 3). Heck even a lane full of dangerous but low-will undead enemies for a virtuoso to Fascinate would be fun!

btw. I definitely like the idea of a boss only hit by ranged weapons, BUT I'm reminded of Lailat. Wouldn't it be even easier to make her stay on her ledge until her HP hits a certain point (say 90%)? The reason that would cause problems is that it leaves the melee sitting quietly or throwing returning daggers etc. until the ranged DPS do their thing. This leaves us in the 2 players working 10 players afk situation.

[Schmoe]

Easily winning every time with no challenge isn't always the most fun.

Truth.