Check out my new reflex save...you like it?

[porq]

When I first learned about the upgrades, I thought the +10 reflex obviously wasn't going to stack with a resist +5 item. I was fully expecting a +5 bump to reflex saves, but this turns out to not be the case.


Docent worn (I should note this is the docent after I upgraded it, original is here, 4th pic from the top)




Trace of Madness upgrade in question



In fact it stacks with a lot of things. It appears to be untyped.





If Update 10 hits the live servers without being tweaked this will definitely give warforged evasion tanks a good alternative to the other existing docents out there for fights like the eChrono abishai boss.


In all honesty though, it seems like an oversight that the reflex save as an untyped bonus. This really outclasses endgame gear upgrades, where you can spend vast amounts of resources and time into bumping up saves/stats/damage/what have you by 1-3, where as this docent and upgrade only took me 2 days and about 2 runs of the new chain on Lamannia.

Thoughts?

[Asketes]

that docent is pretty wicked,

fleshmaker adds 10% amp to the base instead of multiplying

pretty awesome

[Bodic]

did the exact same thing bro.

[mournbladereigns]

+10 stacking reflex is pretty haxed, IMO. More powerful than any other reflex bonuse that I've seen. OP, but would rule on my tukaw!

[-Zephyr-]

Remember this effect can be added to other armors, not only docents.
But I agree, it's a really awsome item as is, even more if the bonuses are untyped (reflex/will).

[Mistycball]

I wish if a similar brigantine version exist ....will be made of mythral

[~SyZoRe]

wow.. this will boost my fvs's reflex to a max of 62 reflex @.@

[Asketes]

not quite as cool now I know what power drain does, but it's still *neat*, i guess. it's still useful on my melee till I get my DT at least

[Grenada]

not quite as cool now I know what power drain does, but it's still *neat*, i guess. it's still useful on my melee till I get my DT at least

Have you seen the new trinket? (called Sustaining Symbiont or something similar)

It negates power drain (and all the other neg effects from the madness loot), plus +1 exceptional con, +10 exceptional fort, and GFL
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=321514&page=8

[Cetus]

Alright, that is a super cool enhancement- but I have to say that its wayyyy overpowered for just some level 16 loot. Even an epic augmentation is a +4 resistance, and here we have a level 16 item giving 10, stacking that is?

[Grenada]

Alright, that is a super cool enhancement- but I have to say that its wayyyy overpowered for just some level 16 loot. Even an epic augmentation is a +4 resistance, and here we have a level 16 item giving 10, stacking that is?

actually, look again. Its level 14

[Cetus]

actually, look again. Its level 14

heh, even better =D

[Xalxika]

No Cetusss, the answer is "MOAR DPS!!!" Who cares about Reflex plus 10 .... wait, it has disintegration guard too? I recant.

[Junts]

My 18 pal/2 monk already makes a +44 reflex roll on the devastator without this, i think you're in overkill territory :P

and i only have 1 pt in saves aura, a 23 dex, and a resist 5 item.

[Quikster]

My 18 pal/2 monk already makes a +44 reflex roll on the devastator without this, i think you're in overkill territory :P

and i only have 1 pt in saves aura, a 23 dex, and a resist 5 item.

Sure he might be, but it might be a nice item to swap to for that wfd thf with a horrid reflex.

[Cetus]

No Cetusss, the answer is "MOAR DPS!!!" Who cares about Reflex plus 10 .... wait, it has disintegration guard too? I recant.

lol- the answer still is "MOARDPS"


Don't you worry =D

[Forzah]

I'm sorry to say this, but the reflex save bonus is badly overpowered and needs to be toned down. I think a non-stacking +8 bonus would be nice (15% extra chance of evading, a worthwhile alternative)... this is a stacking +10 (50% extra chance of evading an attack). It is somewhat gamebreaking, considering how easy it is to obtain the item and the upgrade.

[porq]

My 18 pal/2 monk already makes a +44 reflex roll on the devastator without this, i think you're in overkill territory :P

and i only have 1 pt in saves aura, a 23 dex, and a resist 5 item.

I'm in the same ballpark too, yet I have this uncanny ability to roll 1's and 2's against the ice crystals, reflex ain't saving me there! On live this would still be an upgrade until better docents come along.

I'm sorry to say this, but the reflex save bonus is badly overpowered and needs to be toned down. I think a non-stacking +8 bonus would be nice (15% extra chance of evading, a worthwhile alternative)... this is a stacking +10 (50% extra chance of evading an attack). It is somewhat gamebreaking, considering how easy it is to obtain the item and the upgrade.

This is my line of thinking too, especially considering how easy it is to obtain.

[Scraap]

Considering that's the equivalent of a 30 base dex all on it's own...

My Str toons love the boost to save-for-half.

My Wiz/rog likes the notion of less gear and bluebar spent to amp saving on all but a 1.

And my ranged mechanic? Weeps as yet another benefit of high dex gets a nail put in it's coffin.

The part of me that remembers DnD is off huddled in a corner chanting 'remember, it's DDO'

[Diib]

It must be an oversight that this stacks with resistance. Even if it didn't stack it would be worthwhile for many builds... but stacking?? When they do those new 101 guides they should all start with "Dex IS a dump stat"