Favored Soul Rant

[Attropos]

If my LFM says favored soul and cleric only, it means I want a healer. I do not want a WF Fvs that goes into bladesworn transformation at the final boss of Epic Chrono.

Don't tell me that I cannot tell you how to play your character when you hit my LFM. If you don't want to be a certain party role, that's fine by me, but if I am looking for something in particular, don't hit my LFM unless you are willing to fulfill that role.

I know better than most that favored souls can be DPS, but any WF Favored Soul worth their spot in a party can also heal. If you want to be a divine fighter, but don't want to heal, ask me before applying to my LFM, play a paladin, or don't group with me. When I see a favored soul/cleric apply to my LFM, I assume they will be a healer. Adding in DPS or CC is just gravy on top.

/rant off

[stoerm]

Assigned role > assumed role.

But yeah, frustrating.

Almost on topic, I have a buddy who has an offensive casting specced FvS. He's always frustrated.

[Khellendros13]

LOL why would you even enter Bladesworn?

That's kinda funny though...hope you completed ok.

[Dunklerlindwurm]

Sad but true

[arjiwan]

Almost on topic, I have a buddy who has an offensive casting specced FvS. He's always frustrated.

He is always frustrated maybe because he is.. offensive?

[articwarrior]

I understand how you must feel, I've had several pug runs where it says healer only directly on the lfm and then we get non-healer specced healing classes.

[DevHead]

Did you also post in your LFM that you wanted a "healer". Otherwise, when you just list class, you can't expect people to assume to know what you want. Let's say someone wants a monk; how should I know if they want a light or dark one? (ToD groups aside)

[Chai]

Did you also post in your LFM that you wanted a "healer". Otherwise, when you just list class, you can't expect people to assume to know what you want. Let's say someone wants a monk; how should I know if they want a light or dark one? (ToD groups aside)

Why else would the LFM be limited to FvS and Cleric?

[tdocxxericxx]

Why else would the LFM be limited to FvS and Cleric?

Maybe they wanted someone who can stack divine punishment :P

Seriously though, it is always a good idea to clarify what role you expect someone to fulfill.

Saves you grief later when you find out that their playstyle is different than what you hoped.

[Tsuarok]

It takes almost no effort to spec for sufficient healing on a divine. Every single divine ought to be able to play healer. Every single divine should also be able to either melee or offensive cast as well. I've even seen a few builds that can do all 3 well.

[Paleus]

Did you also post in your LFM that you wanted a "healer". Otherwise, when you just list class, you can't expect people to assume to know what you want. Let's say someone wants a monk; how should I know if they want a light or dark one? (ToD groups aside)

This is unnecessary. By the time someone reaches level 20 they should know that if an LFM is only looking for rogues - then they want someone who can do traps or cleric/favored souls on an epic raid - someone who can heal. If you dont want to fill those rolls, then don't join the lfm. This is said by someone who regularly plays on a warforged favored soul and currently leveling a (gasp) battle-cleric for the past life. Therefore, I'm probably going to avoid the OP lfms for anything but epic raids given that they seem to think wf fvs's should all roll paladins. A divine class can do viable dps in most scenarios, but when it comes time that the party is better served by me putting away the greatsword and healing I'll do that, but I won't do that as my sole vocation. So, in other words join the lfms that will let you play the way you want to play or start your own.

Also, bladesworn transformation, for realsies? Did he think an arcane was going to solo heal him? That enhancement is situational at best, and the end fight in chrono is certainly not the situation to use it.

[justagame]

Joining as a divine and offensive casting, doing melee, etc. in addition to healing? Great, I welcome it. Bring all you've got to the table.

Joining as a divine in an epic quest and disabling your ability to heal at all during a boss fight? Insane.

[articwarrior]

It takes almost no effort to spec for sufficient healing on a divine. Every single divine ought to be able to play healer. Every single divine should also be able to either melee or offensive cast as well. I've even seen a few builds that can do all 3 well.

yep, I got a healer as well and while she is not that great of a build (mainly because she was my first character) I manage to pull off sufficient damage (pew pew AA elf with 18 clr 2 monk)

[Iwinbyrollup]

Therefore, I'm probably going to avoid the OP lfms for anything but epic raids given that they seem to think wf fvs's should all roll paladins. A divine class can do viable dps in most scenarios, but when it comes time that the party is better served by me putting away the greatsword and healing I'll do that, but I won't do that as my sole vocation. So, in other words join the lfms that will let you play the way you want to play or start your own.

I didn't get that at all from the OP. What I got was that he was looking for someone who could heal regardless of whatever else they were doing:

I know better than most that favored souls can be DPS, but any WF Favored Soul worth their spot in a party can also heal. If you want to be a divine fighter, but don't want to heal, ask me before applying to my LFM, play a paladin, or don't group with me.

His issue with the FvS in question wasn't that they weren't just a healer, but that they weren't able to heal at all because they used Bladesworn Transformation. He thinks that if people want to never heal at all, they should probably roll paladins instead. I kinda agree. Paladins will do better damage, have some healing capability, and won't be wasting at least two-thirds of their blue bar every shrine. The way I see it, every party member's goal is to do what they can do best to complete a quest/raid and prevent a wipe. There are a few situations where going into Bladesworn might not be a really bad idea (the best I can think of is if you're a dedicated tank who is being Reconstructed) but as already noted, there are some times when it's a really bad idea. Like in eChrono at the boss.

There's a difference between wanting someone who can easily heal an entire party to help doing so while helping in other ways versus wanting them to heal the entire party and not do any other thing. I see no problem with the first, it's using the easily-available skills of the class to help the party. The second is, well, not doing this, as it turns out, since both clerics and FvS have some level of non-healing skills available to them. Why not use them?

[Paleus]

Apologies, I misread the statement below and mentally shortened out the "Dont want to heal part" to just if "you want to be a divine fighter roll a paladin."

Original statement [If you want to be a divine fighter, but don't want to heal, ask me before applying to my LFM, play a paladin, or don't group with me.]

So yeah, I'd have to agree with the OP then, if you roll a divine and don't want to do any healing, then you really aren't exploiting the main benefit of the class, which is separate from rolling a divine and being good at fighting or casting in addition to being great at healing.

[Roguewiz]

It is better to say "Looking for Healer" than to just say you want a Cleric or Favored Soul. Logic dictates that if you're looking for those two that you want a healer. Don't assume your fellow player will read it as such.

With that being said, Favored Souls are PERFECTLY adept at doing more than just healing, even with one "spec". Most will have an adequate Charisma, regardless on whether or not they're melee or nuking. Our enhancements are limited, but we have enough room to add in healing enhancements. The WF FvS was the kind of player you should avoid. Yes, I will agree with him in that we shouldn't dictate how he plays. However, if you're only going to melee and/or nuke and let your team die; then you need to find a different group.

Finally, comments like "if you want to be a divine melee, roll a paladin" are closed-minded. If Favored Souls weren't meant to melee, they wouldn't have access to their diety weapon, weapon focus, and weapon spec. Toss in Divine Power; they are a melee class with a bunch of SP.

TLDR Version: Don't sweat it. Not all FvS are like that WF. Some of us can top the kill charts AND keep people standing. =p

[Feralthyrtiaq]

Granted...

U9 changed epic and high level content playstyles to a large degree (not gonna quantify this) and lower level content to a lesser degree.

But the fact remains...in a PUG group there are static roles certain classes are expected to play. This especially holds true in Epic Raids/Raids.

Some of this content can be done without the standard static roles being filled to a T. See Revenants 3 (or was it 4 man) TOD on Elite.

But special cases aside...

If you join as PUG as a Cleric or FVS and the group is looking for a healer you best be able to fill the role...

This is not something you have to like...

ORRRR

You can learn the quest's ins and outs including strategies/tactics and what to do when it starts to go to ****, post your OWN LFM and let everyone know you are a Divine DPS Build and find others to heal the raid and help to backup or recover if needed.

If you choose to build your class the way you want and not to fit into a static role MOST people expect you to fill GREAT! It can be fun and rewarding to level with different build types...

BUT if you plan on joining a PUG... show some respect to the people who have put the time into the game to lead raids like EPIC CHRONO and send a tell before joining. Joining a PUG means you compromise your play style to fill the needs of the party. SOLO or Post LFM as Leader if you choose to play the way you WANT and accept or roll with whatever consequences come from it.

[Iaga]

... The WF FvS was the kind of player you should avoid....

I don't know how true that is. Many WF FvS have empowered heal and still run with 2500+ SP. That's more than adequate to heal most situations.

He needed a healer and got a player who could heal but just didn't feel like it.

[Roguewiz]

I don't know how true that is. Many WF FvS have empowered heal and still run with 2500+ SP. That's more than adequate to heal most situations.

He needed a healer and got a player who could heal but just didn't feel like it.

I'm not talking build wise, I'm talking mainly playstyle. If you have the ability to heal, and don't use it to help out your group, you're a drain on the team. That is why I said avoid this WF.

[Maugrim101]

I'm surprised there's any kind of debate here. LFM for an epic raid only accepting Fvs or Cleric should be enough information for anyone thinking of joining.

Anything else is just noise.