1st Shroud completion

[stoerm]

Ran my first Shroud last night on my cleric Izaak. Having only run TS, Chrono and Reaver before, it was more what I expected a raid to be like.

Despite my attempt at anticipatory healing through the lag I managed to get the group leader killed in part 3 (?). Lag accounted for a lot of it, but I'll have to take some blame too. I don't think I screwed up much or held the group back otherwise. Having read all the Shroud drama here on the forums I was a bit nervous so I didn't contribute as well as I might otherwise.

Thanks to the group leader for taking me and the other divines for helping out. The little initiation/hazing was pretty funny and made it feel special. Feel free to tell me if I did something wrong.

For future first timers:
- Don't be afraid to ask for help
- The greater SP pots I'd got from Vale quest end rewards came in useful (if you run as a divine as I did).
- Familiarize yourself with the puzzle solver. My guildie PM'd me the URL just before the quest so I didn't have the time to figure out how to use it.

[grayham]

Well done, to the 1st of many.........

[NinjaNeed]

Congratulations! Hope you were lucky enough to get a Shard of Power.

You make VERY good points, ALWAYS let people know its your first time, that way they can help you. And do try to work out how to do the puzzle in Part Three. They are very easy with a solver but not too difficult without.

Great job and I look forward to grouping with you soon

[Miahoo]

Feel free to tell me if I did something wrong.

You wiped us at the end of part 4 !!!!!!!

I kid' You were doing just fine!

You need to learn:
- How to do the puzzles (thought you weren't the problem, but other stupid ftr there who didnt reply at all!):
--- http://www.perfectweb.org/ddo/solver/vale_puzzle.html
--- http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=136833
- How to fill your SP in parts 3 and 5.
- How to control mass-cures/heals wise so you wont went out of SP.

We were 3 healers there, the lag was crazy, but we were doing fine!

[Ryan220]

Gratz on your first Shroudie

The first few are always rather fast and hectic (nerve wracking as a healer too).

Before you know it you'll be an old pro running it on autopilot

:-)

[Sjiggie]

You wiped us at the end of part 4 !!!!!!!

I kid' You were doing just fine!

You need to learn:
- How to do the puzzles (thought you weren't the problem, but other stupid ftr there who didnt reply at all!):
--- http://www.perfectweb.org/ddo/solver/vale_puzzle.html
--- http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=136833

Don't rely on the puzzle solver use a technique as described here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=314305 to solve them.
I can usually solve my puzzle before anyone has loaded it in their puzzle solver.

- How to fill your SP in parts 3 and 5.

As a new person to shroud this may come in handy but after running alot of them I never botter with filling up my sp cause I wan't to get out of there as fast as I can.

- How to control mass-cures/heals wise so you wont went out of SP.

This is very important, you don't need to use sp pots in this raid. I can soloheal this raid without the use of any sp pots. But as a newcomer I can understand you overheal at start.

Try to use your massheal as your primary mass heal for the group. Learn to time it because it has a long casting time before they group takes alot of damage. Only throw Mass Cures in an emergency situation where lots of people are low on hp and your mass heal is on cooldown.

One more piece of advice. Don't recall after part 5 but complete every run. Even though you can't rerun the shroud again right after in the end you need the larges to complete your item and by the time you have them you should have more then enough smalls/mediums to craft your first GS item.

-Reizal

[Noopleh]

By the post i see here I can say, Orien IS full of elitist jerks.

Congratz on your 1st Shroud. I remember mine, where I "Wiped" the party before harry ^^

Also i fell on a 6 x 6, on my first run. I was like "Wha'?!" and "is that a prank on me?". People where lulzing at the fact i got the 6 x 6.

Good luck on other shroud

[LoveNeverFails]

Don't rely on the puzzle solver use a technique as described here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=314305 to solve them.
I can usually solve my puzzle before anyone has loaded it in their puzzle solver.

As a new person to shroud this may come in handy but after running alot of them I never botter with filling up my sp cause I wan't to get out of there as fast as I can.

This is very important, you don't need to use sp pots in this raid. I can soloheal this raid without the use of any sp pots. But as a newcomer I can understand you overheal at start.

Try to use your massheal as your primary mass heal for the group. Learn to time it because it has a long casting time before they group takes alot of damage. Only throw Mass Cures in an emergency situation where lots of people are low on hp and your mass heal is on cooldown.

One more piece of advice. Don't recall after part 5 but complete every run. Even though you can't rerun the shroud again right after in the end you need the larges to complete your item and by the time you have them you should have more then enough smalls/mediums to craft your first GS item.

-Reizal

This. my first couple of shrouds I spammed Mass CLW CMW and CSW like there was no tomorrow because like the dingbat i am, I never paid attention to the fact that they actually cost MORE SP then mass heal. Last shroud i went into, I pretty much hit Mass heal every cooldown, and no one went down. And I still had a couple hundred SP left at the end. It was awesome. I DO use quicken and empower in parts 4 and 5 though, which helps a LOT with the timing. Gratz!!! It wasn't that long ago that I posted my first Shroud completion up in the acheivement forums, and they are telling the truth. After the third or fourth it's like clockwork.

[Miahoo]

Don't rely on the puzzle solver use a technique as described here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=314305 to solve them.
I can usually solve my puzzle before anyone has loaded it in their puzzle solver.

Thats fit the seconds link I posted.

Also i fell on a 6 x 6, on my first run. I was like "Wha'?!" and "is that a prank on me?". People where lulzing at the fact i got the 6 x 6.

6 x 6 ???

[Miahoo]

One more piece of advice. Don't recall after part 5 but complete every run. Even though you can't rerun the shroud again right after in the end you need the larges to complete your item and by the time you have them you should have more then enough smalls/mediums to craft your first GS item.

I agree and disagree.

For the first times its reasonable to not complete - for people who just wanna get their 2nd tier asap!

But for others, there's no point in ddoor/teleport/death out, as u have loads of smalls/meds and basically need larges.

[NUDS]

I agree and disagree.

For the first times its reasonable to not complete - for people who just wanna get their 2nd tier asap!

But for others, there's no point in ddoor/teleport/death out, as u have loads of smalls/meds and basically need larges.

True, I made my first GS up to Tier 2 after ransack on one toon(Now I only need 4 more LDS!).

The first time I ran Shroud, I realised it wasn't really as hyped out as all the drama threads indicated. It really is just a straight forward beat-fest :P

[Noopleh]

Thats fit the seconds link I posted.



6 x 6 ???

Yep, 6 x 6 (Well i think, it definitly wasn't a 3 x 3 and the grid spanned nearly the whole room). Someone linked me to the solver where I was even more "Whaaaaa'?!!" Then someone randomly opened the blue force field, jumped in the room like a rabbit and solved it.

That was my 1st Surprise, the 2nd was when i was told to aim for middle of portal to get Extra chest. I was devastated when the whole team died then. Then they started saying: Welcome to shroud ect ect ^^.


at OP, if you ever get the chance to Epic VoN 6, the endboss fight is rather easy as Velah's hit can be timed. If you have 2100 SP + You could Main heal on your own in Velahs fight.

I suffer from WF -2 in CHA and WIS so my actual SP is 1994, But i am hoping to get a exeptional +2 WIS item if i can. My Radient Burst (16 turns) is a handy heal too, its free, no SP and heals as good as other Mass C spells. 300-400 on Critical with Staff of Fleshshaping (Spelt wrong i bet).

[Miahoo]

Yep, 6 x 6 (Well i think, it definitly wasn't a 3 x 3 and the grid spanned nearly the whole room).

Are you sure it wasn't 5 x 5?

[Miahoo]

That was my 1st Surprise, the 2nd was when i was told to aim for middle of portal to get Extra chest. I was devastated when the whole team died then. Then they started saying: Welcome to shroud ect ect ^^.

Yeah, we did the same to Izaak. It was funny

[Noopleh]

Are you sure it wasn't 5 x 5?

I honestly could not say. I did Shroud yesterday again, and got a 3 x 3, which was really small.

I went to check on DDO Vale Puzzle Solver and yes, might be a 5 x 5. It was sometime ago so, really, my memory isn't the best. I blame.... The halfling barbarian!! yep.

[PNellesen]

Gratz on your first Shroud as a Cleric! I think learning the "top-down" method for the puzzles is much easier than trying to do them in a solver, but that's a personal preference. Once you get comfortable with the ebb and flow of the healing in Parts 4 and 5, you can then start playing with your damage spells like Divine Punishment, Harm, etc., in between Mass Heals - it's so much more fun to actually participate than to just stand back and be a hireling (though this depends, of course, on the squishiness and dps of the melees. Sometimes it's going to take every SP you have to keep them going long enough to take Harry out.)

[sturmbb]

congratz on your first run

I remember my first run. i went with a couple of guildies who really helped me out, thankfully i was running a bard, so i was basically a back-up dps and healer so not much really depended on me. Still felt nervous being in it though, thinking if we wipe i hope everyone doesnt blame the newbie bard in not keeping everyone alive.

With the puzzles i got transported in with someone else so they sorted the puzzle out, which is a good job really. Because everyone was trying to explain to me on how to do the puzzle and to be honest i didnt have a clue what they were on about lol. Anyway we completed and i had a great time....the initiation which i went through was really good and made my first run that much more enjoyable

[stoerm]

Thanks for all the replies and the tips. I didn't know mass heal was better, so I've been using mass light and moderate, and like Miahoo said I was overhealing. I was aware of it, it was partly being a bit nervous and partly being cautions due to lag, but I definitely still need to practice my spell point conservation.

I also got some perspective on the effort required to make GS items, and decided to make a single shard item first (HP bracers) before embarking on dual shard crafting.

[MartinusWyllt]

Don't rely on the puzzle solver use a technique as described here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=314305 to solve them.
I can usually solve my puzzle before anyone has loaded it in their puzzle solver....

One more piece of advice. Don't recall after part 5 but complete every run. Even though you can't rerun the shroud again right after in the end you need the larges to complete your item and by the time you have them you should have more then enough smalls/mediums to craft your first GS item.

-Reizal

Seconding both parts here. I like this thread's advice: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=228976 more especially their modified practice tool: http://terpstra.ca/vale.html as they are always solvable. Just last night I stood around as our leader loaded the 5x5 into a solver, messed up the solution, had to reload...I got to meet the rainbow face-first for the first time in a combined 31 runs.

Completions, yes, it took nearly 30 to finish my conc. opposition item, but I had tier 2 done long before that.

[TEcarson]

6 x 6 ???

I looked at that a bit sideways as well. Then I figured "Orien is so elite that their Shroud has a 6 x 6!"