Bard healing gets no respect

[AtomicMew]

Yes, bards specced for healing, can in fact heal. Maybe not as well as well-geared divines, but certainly enough for SHROUD on NORMAL. And even that, a well-geared and well played bard outheals 99% of pug clerics. You don't have to leave the group just because we only have 1 divine.

Oh, you joined the other shroud LFM that was just posted? Congratulations on being inconsiderate and wasting everyone's time, especially the people who waited the whole time for the group to fill and were left out. How nice of you.

[Enoach]

Keep in mind this - not everyone knows what Bards are capable of... Just ask Aussie of Utopia, I've seen her out perform many a cleric/fvs.

[AtomicMew]

Yes, but I announced that I was capable of healing before the last spot filled, and that I'd accept anyone rather than wait for another divine - no response.

[MasterOfWorlds]

You're probably better off without them if they thought you needed two divines for Shroud. Seriously, what's up with that?!

Bards can heal.

Shroud doesn't even need two healers if you run it with level 20s...

That's all.

[anto_capone]

I would have ran with ya np

I have noticed that there has been a fresh influx of uh, 'newer' people in the shroud. I would guess it was one of these newer people that do not understand/believe what bards are truly capable of.

I been skunked out of the underwater chest because of idiots like 3 times in the past 2 weeks..

[xSeverinax]

I have a bard, and he is reasonable at healing, though I am not geared for it as I am a warchanter. He is geared to melee, and act as back up healer/buffer, so I know that a bard can heal. But I must admit I would have second thoughts about a bard solo healing the shroud. Bards don't get mass heal or Resurrection, yes you can use res or heal scrolls if your umd is high enough, but not mass heal and unless you have gone full out for umd moderate will probably be your limit.

A bard as solo healer for the Harry fights would give me doubts. Not saying you couldn't do it - but I know my bard couldn't do it, and I would be interested to see how you would on your bard. Would you mind postng details of your build - just the relevant skills / spells / items etc so I can see how to make a healer spec bard?

I just re-read your post, and realised I missed out that you had one divine. Yes as long as that was geared for healing rather than a battle cleric - a bard would make a fine back up and spot healer with the divine doing the mass heals. Easy peasy!

[Calebro]

I been skunked out of the underwater chest because of idiots like 3 times in the past 2 weeks..

I don't know why people get so upset about this. Look in your bag at how many medium mats you have, and then consider that only mediums drop in those chests.
Those chests are for newbs, so if newbs screw up and lose them, who cares?

[anto_capone]

I don't know why people get so upset about this. Look in your bag at how many medium mats you have, and then consider that only mediums drop in those chests.
Those chests are for newbs, so if newbs screw up and lose them, who cares?

Its the potential of it all!

Of course, it is only the chests that I miss out on that have the tomes and xp pots etc..

I know I know lol

[AtomicMew]

A bard CAN solo heal a normal shroud. Not saying that I would do it, for a fast and safe completion, but it's certainly possible.

Between noxious embers, ornamental dagger, spellsong trance, spellsong vigor, aligning the heavens, bauble, twisted talisman, there is no question that a bard has enough healing capacity.

I guess you could make the argument the argument that a bard does not have enough burst healing to keep up with incoming DPS. However, i don't think this is true. Assuming ardor, empower, empower healing and maximize, mass cure moderate hits for ~200, cure light hits for ~170 - nearly half the HP of most shroud pugs. This is all before healing amp, which most people have some of, and spell crits.

Both these spells are on a short cooldown (4 and 5 seconds), so you can spam them back to back; doing so is potentially MORE healing than a divine spamming mass heal on recharge, with no overhealing problems.

[taurean430]

A bard CAN solo heal a normal shroud. Not saying that I would do it, for a fast and safe completion, but it's certainly possible.

Between noxious embers, ornamental dagger, spellsong trance, spellsong vigor, aligning the heavens, bauble, twisted talisman, there is no question that a bard has enough healing capacity.

I guess you could make the argument the argument that a bard does not have enough burst healing to keep up with incoming DPS. However, i don't think this is true. Assuming ardor, empower, empower healing and maximize, mass cure moderate hits for ~200, cure light hits for ~170 - nearly half the HP of most shroud pugs. This is all before healing amp, which most people have some of, and spell crits.

Both these spells are on a short cooldown (4 and 5 seconds), so you can spam them back to back; doing so is potentially MORE healing than a divine spamming mass heal on recharge, with no overhealing problems.

Solo healed Shroud and VOD on my warchanter without any of the things you mentioned. In both cases the divines died or dc'd. It's really not very hard. Sadly it's the guys with the full blue bar who chose to not share buffs/some heals on their builds that garner the general distrust.

Some raid leaders prefer to have the bard healing the party/scrolling the Sulu tank in part 3 TOD while the divines focus solely on the Horoth tank. I've seen many a bard pitch a fit about that in party.

[Hakushi]

Keep in mind this - not everyone knows what Bards are capable of... Just ask Aussie of Utopia, I've seen her out perform many a cleric/fvs.

This is entirely true, and Aussie herself solo healed VoD on elite, and also another healing specced bard, Hangover solo healed Devil's Assault on Epic. Those 2 quests are a lot more intense than the cakewalk that is Shroud now. My melee FvS solo healed Shroud.

Bards don't get mass heal

Mass Heal is not needed at all for Shroud, both Cure Light and Cure Mod Mass are enough, with Heal scrolls, or even Cure Mass Mod scrolls.

[KillEveryone]

Too many people misunderstand bards.

[NaturalHazard]

Yes, bards specced for healing, can in fact heal. Maybe not as well as well-geared divines, but certainly enough for SHROUD on NORMAL. And even that, a well-geared and well played bard outheals 99% of pug clerics. You don't have to leave the group just because we only have 1 divine.

Oh, you joined the other shroud LFM that was just posted? Congratulations on being inconsiderate and wasting everyone's time, especially the people who waited the whole time for the group to fill and were left out. How nice of you.

we almost had people rage quit on us cause we had two bards in tod, then at the start of the last part the favoured soul dced and didnt come back so we had to start without him, yeah a lot of people where happy they brought another bard along to heal then.

[NaturalHazard]

Solo healed Shroud and VOD on my warchanter without any of the things you mentioned. In both cases the divines died or dc'd. It's really not very hard. Sadly it's the guys with the full blue bar who chose to not share buffs/some heals on their builds that garner the general distrust.

Some raid leaders prefer to have the bard healing the party/scrolling the Sulu tank in part 3 TOD while the divines focus solely on the Horoth tank. I've seen many a bard pitch a fit about that in party.

yep ive solo healed the party and suulo tank many times in tod.

One tod leader wouldnt let me in, I had a spell singer, noticed they had a warchanter, and one favoured soul, a warforged tank and 2 arcanes to help recon him. Nope another bard would of been too much of a waste of a slot. So I started my own lfm and started before that group, some of the people in his came over to mine and I got tells from him basically saying im a terrible person poaching people in his party

[Tuney]

I loved Tuney when she was a bard, after I'm done with this wizard life. I'm going back to my bardic ways! Not sure if I'll get the Dragonmarks again or what race she'll be... but I miss being a bard. Mostly because I hate having to wait for a group to start because 'we need a healer!"


Though the spell pass made me sad... My grease no longer lasts long epic time of slip and slide action!

[Emili]

Many people just look for a safety net...


If Rosewood got a scale for every time the divine got complimented on good healing while the same divine left the quest with a nearly full mana bar I'd be able to outfit everyones character on Khyber with dual tier GS items.

[phalaeo]

I have a bard, and he is reasonable at healing, though I am not geared for it as I am a warchanter. He is geared to melee, and act as back up healer/buffer, so I know that a bard can heal. But I must admit I would have second thoughts about a bard solo healing the shroud. Bards don't get mass heal or Resurrection, yes you can use res or heal scrolls if your umd is high enough, but not mass heal and unless you have gone full out for umd moderate will probably be your limit.

A bard as solo healer for the Harry fights would give me doubts. Not saying you couldn't do it - but I know my bard couldn't do it, and I would be interested to see how you would on your bard. Would you mind postng details of your build - just the relevant skills / spells / items etc so I can see how to make a healer spec bard?

I just re-read your post, and realised I missed out that you had one divine. Yes as long as that was geared for healing rather than a battle cleric - a bard would make a fine back up and spot healer with the divine doing the mass heals. Easy peasy!

We've done All-Bard Shrouds on Argo with only one Bard doing "main healing" (i.e. fully specced out for heals) and one other Bard throwing back-up heals. You really don't need Mass Heal for any raid, and I know a lot of Clerics who heal Shroud using solely MCLW/MCMW.

[arjiwan]

When I am on my bard, with a solo Cleric on a Shroud, and people complain "why only 1 healer?", I always tell them...

"Why? Is your HP or DPS so low that you need two healers to keep you up?"

Works everytime

[MeliCat]

Many people just look for a safety net...


If Rosewood got a scale for every time the divine got complimented on good healing while the same divine left the quest with a nearly full mana bar I'd be able to outfit everyones character on Khyber with dual tier GS items.

hehehehe...

When I was learning to play a cleric healer properly a kind person on a bard offered to let me practice healing on his group in Genesis Point. So I tagged along practiing following red bars... but it soon became apparent that those red bars were full most of the time... so I kind of just watched with curiousity with the occasional spot heal only.

At the end of this quest I got complimented that the red bars had stayed full almost the whole time... and I was able to point out that this was almost entirely the bard and not me. (That was Stop's bard btw...)

Combined with damage mitigation (eg poison neut as no mass heals) a good group could plow through Shroud sans heajlz...

[NaturalHazard]

Many people just look for a safety net...


If Rosewood got a scale for every time the divine got complimented on good healing while the same divine left the quest with a nearly full mana bar I'd be able to outfit everyones character on Khyber with dual tier GS items.

more like epic red scale armour