Build request: Assassinating Rogue

[Astars]

Just started leveling my 36 point human assassin:
18/15/14/14/8/8


But i'm going for kurkis. You can farm them completely on other toons and just transfer them when ready for epic (Even for a champion build)
Got an epic midnight in the bank and another nearly finished. They are easy to farm and rock in end-game (rad2+epic midnight for trash, epic midnight+min2 for bosses)-using a rad 2 in epics is a bit problematic since mobs just randomly flail about and can disrupt your sneak approach for assassinate or scatter mobs too far for a good wail, but mobs usually die so fast it doesn't matter that much.

[Havok.cry]

That's my point, u have to sacrifices something as u don't have enough ability points on 32pt build to fit everything u want.


Then again, piercing breakss some DRs that slashing doesn't.

OK first off I never said I wanted pally dil, was just explaining why I wouldn't take it. It is not a sacrifice to not put points into something I wasn't going to anyway.

I honestly have not heard of anything that needs piercing to break its DR, so please give examples for me so I can make a decision. I have on, the other hand, run into quite a few mobs that needed slashing to break the DR, like zombies, and many that needed blunt, like skeletons and liches.

I do agree that Karl_k0ch gave me a good build to work with.

[TempestAlphaOmega]

I honestly have not heard of anything that needs piercing to break its DR, so please give examples for me so I can make a decision.

I can only think of two things off the top of my head, certain type of (mid to high end?) spider and Rakashsaks (spelling).

[floating]

Assassinate has been boosted due to u9 it works in epics as well now. With midnight greetings and some nasty augments you can do some work. The problem with STR based rogues is the stat spread. Str is only for how much you can carry, to hit and damage. Lets say halfling with 14 starting str

14 str (10 points) (maxing out str for an additional 1 point damage hit is absurd at the cost of 6 build points)
15 dex (5 points)
15 con (8 points)
13 int (5 points)
8 wis
8cha
there's a 28 point halfling. Probably dump the last points into int or maybe 3 str 1 int something. Not too tough but will require gear (rogues typically need decent gear)

human
16 str (10 points)
15 dex (8 points)
15 con (8 points)
13 int(5 points)
8 wis
8 cha
3 points left ... maybe 17 str or 16 dex 14 int or 15 int or 16 con 14 int. manageable still needs gear. Advantage of str build str can be boosted beyond int or dex. Honestly id go halfling. You wont need the extra feat, think the advantage is on the side of halfling if you are looking for damage.

[portcityguy]

The list is fairly old and hasn't been updated in some time...

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=178393

Piercing:
Ancient Spiders
Crimson Foot Hive Spiders
Wheeps

Piercing + Good:
Rakshasa

Slashing:
Zombies

[brzytki]

OK first off I never said I wanted pally dil, was just explaining why I wouldn't take it.

Ok, i must've misunderstood u. But my point still stands, it's a little tough to put all that u want into 32pt build.

About piercing DR, portcityguy beat me to it but as i was going to cite other source i thought i'd still post about it. So far piercing vs slashing is 4 to 1 in types of mobs. Yes, zombies are pretty common but who says u can't switch weapons? If u are going to burn the feat just because u want that ~4% increase in DPS and are too lazy to switch weapons when u meet a zombie, then go ahead.

Here is my source: http://ddowiki.com/page/Monster_DR_and_weaknesses

[Havok.cry]

Like I said, I didn't know about the piercing drs, that does make the barb dil much better of an option... probably the best option, thanks for bringing it up. And thanks all you who gave piercing DR info. My only capped toons are a wiz, and an AA w rapier for melee, so I never really noticed the ones with piercing DR.

[Havok.cry]

Assassinate has been boosted due to u9 it works in epics as well now. With midnight greetings and some nasty augments you can do some work. The problem with STR based rogues is the stat spread. Str is only for how much you can carry, to hit and damage. Lets say halfling with 14 starting str

14 str (10 points) (maxing out str for an additional 1 point damage hit is absurd at the cost of 6 build points)
15 dex (5 points)
15 con (8 points)
13 int (5 points)
8 wis
8cha
there's a 28 point halfling. Probably dump the last points into int or maybe 3 str 1 int something. Not too tough but will require gear (rogues typically need decent gear)

human
16 str (10 points)
15 dex (8 points)
15 con (8 points)
13 int(5 points)
8 wis
8 cha
3 points left ... maybe 17 str or 16 dex 14 int or 15 int or 16 con 14 int. manageable still needs gear. Advantage of str build str can be boosted beyond int or dex. Honestly id go halfling. You wont need the extra feat, think the advantage is on the side of halfling if you are looking for damage.

Why so many odd stats? I understand the 15 dex, but why con and int too?

[Rydin_Dirtay]

Why so many odd stats? I understand the 15 dex, but why con and int too?

On a human, they can take Human Adaptability enhancements, to even out two odd stats. When this is done with CON, it also opens up Racial Toughness III for a human.

[bendover]

Just make Radiance II's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[karl_k0ch]

Just make Radiance II's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

'Multiple exclamation marks,' he went on, shaking his head, 'are a sure sign of a diseased mind.'

scnr

[bendover]

scnr

Tell me something I don't know!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rydin_Dirtay]

Tell me something I don't know!!!!!!!!!!!

Pi out to 5 decimal places is 3.14159.

[karl_k0ch]

Tell me something I don't know!!!!!!!!!!!

If a continuous linear operator between two Banach spaces is surjective then it is an open map.

[Havok.cry]

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On a human, they can take Human Adaptability enhancements, to even out two odd stats. When this is done with CON, it also opens up Racial Toughness III for a human.

Ok i can understand that... but why did he do the same thing on the halgling build then?

[Rydin_Dirtay]

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Ok i can understand that... but why did he do the same thing on the halgling build then?

An odd base stat is no longer a big issue in DDO. He may be thinking about ship buffs, or +3 tomes, or +7 items, or +exceptional stat gear. Anything to even the stat.

Some builds even throw a levelup point into a stat like that.

[brzytki]

Ok i can understand that... but why did he do the same thing on the halgling build then?

You seem to be missing these parts:

Assassinate has been boosted due to u9 it works in epics as well now. With midnight greetings and some nasty augments you can do some work. The problem with STR based rogues is the stat spread. Str is only for how much you can carry, to hit and damage. Lets say halfling with 14 starting str

14 str (10 points) (maxing out str for an additional 1 point damage hit is absurd at the cost of 6 build points)
15 dex (5 points)
15 con (8 points)
13 int (5 points)
8 wis
8cha
there's a 28 point halfling. Probably dump the last points into int or maybe 3 str 1 int something. Not too tough but will require gear (rogues typically need decent gear)

human
16 str (10 points)
15 dex (8 points)
15 con (8 points)
13 int(5 points)
8 wis
8 cha
3 points left ... maybe 17 str or 16 dex 14 int or 15 int or 16 con 14 int. manageable still needs gear. Advantage of str build str can be boosted beyond int or dex. Honestly id go halfling. You wont need the extra feat, think the advantage is on the side of halfling if you are looking for damage.

This and +7 items, +1 exceptionals, +3 tomes, +1 profane (litany), +3 profane (STR and CON from abishai).

[Havok.cry]

Ok my /reading fail lol. Thanks for pointing it out.