TR my 13/7 Monkrobat

[Thadiues]

Hello all, I am getting ready for my first TR and it will be my current main toon that is a 13/7 rouge monk. I am tossing around the idea of leaving him 13/7 or going 18/2 in hopes that Acrobat III will be coming soon. I believe that due to the overall benefits of going Half-Orc I will be doing that. If you have time please comment on the build below.

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Shayemus 
Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Orc Male
(2 Monk \ 18 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 271
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 16
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    28
Dexterity            10                    15
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         10                    12
Wisdom               14                    16
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                    31
Bluff                 3                    24
Concentration         3                     6
Diplomacy            -1                     1
Disable Device        4                    29
Haggle               -1                     1
Heal                  2                     4
Hide                  0                     3
Intimidate           -1                     1
Jump                  8                    35
Listen                2                     4
Move Silently         0                     3
Open Lock             4                    13
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                0                     2
Search                4                    25
Spot                  6                    26
Swim                  4                    10
Tumble                2                    31
Use Magic Device      3                    24

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I


Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II


Level 11 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack II
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II


Level 13 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device II


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device III


Level 16 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost IV


Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack III
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device IV


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery


Level 19 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II

I have read the forums extensivley on staff builds and want to avoid the tri-class builds. I figure with either 18/2 or 13/7 I can resurrect and get acro III when it comes out. I have also thought of going pure rouge for the capstone but am unsure of how much this would "slow" the build down.

[Thadiues]

Here is the rough 13/7 TR build I would follow. Which seems to be the more solid build of the two?

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Shayemus 2 
Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Orc Male
(7 Monk \ 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 308
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 15
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    28
Dexterity            10                    15
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         10                    12
Wisdom               14                    18
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 8
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 8
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 8
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 8
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 8
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                    20
Bluff                 3                    23
Concentration         3                    16
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device        4                    25
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                  2                     4
Hide                  0                     2
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  4                    21
Listen                2                     4
Move Silently         0                     2
Open Lock             4                    12
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                0                     1
Search                4                    24
Spot                  6                    27
Swim                  4                     9
Tumble                4                    22
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Monk)


Level 11 (Monk)


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 13 (Monk)


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)


Level 17 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost IV
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack II
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude I
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude II
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude III
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Shintao Monk I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II

[MeatSheild]

I'm not sure of the usefullness of cleave vs. active the pastlife feat for rogue.

[AtomicMew]

You don't need cleave AND great cleave, imo. Cleave is already on a short timer, and single target DPS is still most important.

[Dirichlet]

Small stat thing: why Wis > Dex? They both give AC, Reflex is more important than Will, and through Acro Dex = damage. The only reason you'd want Wis instead is for Monk DCs, but those won't get anywhere near useful being based on Monk levels. For the same points you can start 14 Dex, 10 Wis or 13 Dex, 11 Wis: free up 2 APs for Monk Wis I and you'll get both on even finishing scores.

Granted, the second build might get an ok Stunning Fist, but the first build has no real use for Wis over Dex.

Cleave/Great are supposed to be pretty good now; not my cup of tea though, that's just what I've been hearing. To fit the Past Life feat in I'd drop WF:B before anything else (shouldn't need this as a big ugly Horc). Quickdraw is always a good choice for a spare feat if you have any.

Of the two splits, obviously 13/7 is the more conventional, but I guess you know that. How long can you wait for Acro III? You could be on a second TR by the time it is released. It might have some ridiculous prerequisites that force you to respec even with 18/2. Rather than second guess future patches I would make the best character you can with this life, and plan the second TR (or maybe your third?) if/when Acro III comes out.

Saying that, I'm not sure of the purpose of Shintao. I prefer Ninja Spy personally, but even taking FoL (which is very worthy with Acros attack speed) I wouldn't bother with Shintao. The healing amp is the reason to go 7 Monk; you have plenty of other things to spend AP on. Why do you have an aversion to tri-class? The 6 Fighter / 1 Monk version is very well suited to a TRd Horc. Going Horc says you want a more damage orientated option, and that's the better split for that.

[Thadiues]

My only aversion to the tri-class builds is the eventual release of Acro III. I have read over the builds and actually have a 12/8 ftr/mnk that I am leveling now that will use Wind II and Kensai II. I want this build to stay with rouge skills. I am not currently able to be a hard core gamer and it may take me close to a year to level this toon, becuase of that I want to try and keep the respec available. I do like the suggestions on wisdom vs. dex and believe I will free up those points.

[DakFrost]

rogue, not rouge.

Unless you intend to have rouge on your Monk. In that case, try not to use too much, otherwise you'll look cheap.

[Roguewiz]

You should go Warforged that way you can have a great play on words!

monkrobat
monkrobot

get it, get it?

I guess I'm the only one giggling right now.

Interesting build regardless. I've considering something similar to be honest.

[XL_Jockey]

I agree that if you're taking 7 monk levels that Ninja Spy would be better due to the sneak attack damage (you get to recoup some of what you lost) and Shadow Fade. Fists of Light is nice but a vampiric staff could mitigate that need, plus with Shadow Fade you'll have some extra survivability.

I'm with you on the 18 Rogue levels, waiting for AcroIII. The problem is that we have no idea when it's coming, or whether it will be worth it. I'm running with a planned 13/6/1 Rog/Ftr/Mnk, and only took my one Monk and all Rogue levels. The reason is that I level slowly, so hopefully when it's time to make the decision whether to mix in Fighter levels, I'll have a better idea of whether it'll be worth it.

The only benefit I saw from Monk levels was the attack speed from Wind, or possibly Fire/Earth if I wanted more healing amp and extra damage or some minor DR and hitpoints.