Cleric rant

[protokon]

sounds like an idiot who had no idea what he was talking about. 372hp is perfectly fine, your not exactly tanking Horoth on a healer anyways.

sounds like theres a bit of misconception on what a dumpstat is. dumpstat is something you put zero points into, so to dumpstat your con you wouldve had to start with 8. admittedly 22 is on the low side, but its a pretty salvageable number realistically (considering my healer with epic gear is sitting at 32).

14 starting con is pretty optimal if you are not min-maxing, which is a silly thing to do on a cleric in most cases.

[DougGlyndwyr]

I started at 15 on Glyndwyr , and am doing fine with 492 HP, 'cause I found a bunch of HP gear and such. But Pfipher started at 14 and no one minds running with her because, well, she's not tanking or nothing and I cast my heals hot 'n' fresh, which is what I'm supposed to do with a healer. Con's important if you're battle-clericing more so, but even then Pfipher's idea of battle is some destruction implosion action.

[Blank_Zero]

Cari is my favorite gimpy healer ever. I wish she would run ToD with me more though.

[Attropos]

Couple of things from running with you:

1) 372 HP is perfectly fine for running most content (even normal TOD). It's a bit on the light side, but as other people have said, you play a healbot. Some things you can do to increase it above 400 (which is a good number to aim for on any build) is shroud item (already mentioned), but also....... yugo pots. Slightly expensive, and can be a pain to get, but I'll personally help you get them (I need to get the favor back after I finish this TR).

2) I don't really remember running with your healer, but I know you aren't a bad player when not running off of VON bridges, which is a lot more than can be said for most players.

3) If you ever want some clericing advice, send a tell! I'd be more than happy to help.

See you in game

[ReveredCat]

ohh!Im here a bit late~already out of page 1...
1. dont really need much hp for a healer in TOD~nothing will hit u hard.talking about orthons in part3, invis/shield block/any fog from a caster, any of these can help u from getting hurt
2. my fvs only had 400 hp last life due to high wis/cha, and u know lesliea can heal and wont die before anyone does.orthons in normal TOD hit me 0 when I shield block and in epic dq2 I can tank the queen with shield block+ self heal, she cant hurt me much.

This life Im going heal+melee fvs so made it 520 or more hp, thats needed if ur going into crowds of mobs.But for a healbot cleric your hp is totally fine.

PS: ppl would scream only because they'r new to it~and they think they've learnt enough.if u have done tons of it u only feel bored and dont wanna even give a word.

[Vyrn]

Speaking from the perpective of someone whos cramming every point of HP I can into my cleric (14 base con if it matters), I can say as long as you dont take unneeded risks with that HP pool, youd be fine in just about any epic I can think off right now, except edq2 (with the tactic I see most widely used, on cannith). By unneeded risks I mean going up to a boss for no real reason except knowing theres no point in not doing it, on my char, and the marginal 'help' the aura provides.

If youre a healbot, you dont 'need' HP if you have the right playstyle for that build.

Oh by the way, you can easily break 450 unbuffed with even an 8 base con. Alot of it comes form gear, Im at 522 unbuffed with 14base and 1 toughness so breaking 450 can be done with just pretty much gear.

[Enoach]

I always love hearing the "You won't last 30 seconds..." speach that so many 3L33TS lash out with. I hope it makes them feel good {rolls eyes}.

And from my experiences with you, I know you were giving good advice to gear and resource usage. So, as you have enjoyed a vigerous workout today. Just go relax and just ponder all the wonderful experinces you have had, and the new ones waiting for you around the bend, because you have and you will last more then 30 seconds... and the rest of the party has and will be eternally grateful, because so will they.

[Terebinthia]

^^ listen to Crydel, he speaks sense.

I have my HP items on my cloak slot, because I gave up on Mabar, on both my (now TRed) FvS and my cleric. I take it off to run TOD in lieu of the Mantle, and I think IIRC I sit at 412 then pre ship buffs, rage etc.

I ran with another cleric last night on 350, which made me concerned briefly but they were fine, and the 350 HP cleric who healed us tonight was fine, too.

Invis helps a lot in the final fight.

I think with what you've said you've done in the OP that you clearly have enough situational awareness to make it work. I had to readjust my playstyle when moving back from playing a capped FvS to take account of the lack of DR - it's just an extension of the same.

[Chris79]

pffft, OP - Pyrric, the lovable cleric had the same HP before he TRed and he was fine, including doing ToD. Occasionally you might hit some bad luck, but when you've got your pee coloured cloud around you healing you every few secs, it doesn't tend to be much of a problem.

[jwdaniels]

I have 387 HP on my cleric - I can squeeze out a few more with better gear, but I'm far too lazy to go after that at the moment.

I can tell you that I almost never die while questing. On epics, 400+ HP damage effects are pretty common (as, apparently, is rolling 1s for saves) but the fact that a bunch of my guildies and I all decided, "Hey, we're not ready for this at all but why not?" just to see how it all worked is probably more of what our issue was than my "low" HP total.

Oh, and I started with a 14 Con.

No worries at all for you whatsoever.

[Postumus]

Also, every time someone yells at you online just start laughing into the mic everytime he speaks until they drop. Picture them as some pathetic loser 300 lbs+ adult living in his parents basement who can only attempt to bully people online to make themselves fell better. it'll help make the laughing come naturally! lol

Awesome advice. Laughing is certainly better than getting suckered into a pointless argument.

[jwdaniels]

Awesome advice. Laughing is certainly better than getting suckered into a pointless argument.

The other option is to just say ****ie every time they speak - then everyone else who is listening will laugh, most likely the ranter as well. ****ie is funny.

[Maugrim101]

Can't think why a healbot type cleric would be screamed at for having 372hp. It's not as Ubarz as it could be, but more than enough if the plan is to stay out of trouble while healing.

Just sounds like someone who goes off on people for any old random reason to me.

[Deathlos]

A usual guide line for epics is to have 400+ hps if you don't have evasion.

Aurora_nyx your hit points aren't horrible and you can probally boost them with a bit of gs and raid gear. A GS HP item would give you another 45 and a tod belt another 30, etc etc.

Also, every time someone yells at you online just start laughing into the mic everytime he speaks until they drop. Picture them as some pathetic loser 300 lbs+ adult living in his parents basement who can only attempt to bully people online to make themselves fell better. it'll help make the laughing come naturally! lol

I +1 you cause your canadian lol!

If that inculdes 500+ sleeping on their sisters couches :'(

the Jerk was an idiot talking outta his ass...

Dont listen to tere. she has no idea what shes talking about!

And hey.. your hp is alot better then the 180hp fvs/clerics ive run into who insist apon meleeing...*shivers*

So im sure your just fine. cant say i know from experiance since i forget 90% of the puggers i run with^^

[azrael4h]

My gimpy, Elf Cleric had only slightly more hp (402) than you, and did just fine despite my best efforts. You likely lack just a few items (I also lacked the gs hp item, though that was due to other issues). So the problem is not on your end, but the moron. Blacklist him, report him, and move on.

[Zachski]

Yeah, I don't think you're giving yourself enough credit here :P

Quite frankly, you've got good HP. Not great. And your choice in being a healbot is, while suboptimal, quite compensating for that.

Since you aren't trying to be the absolutely positively best you can be (unlike me, where I do so out of OCD rather than actual desire to be the best) then that's fine to be a healbot.

[Blank_Zero]

So since she healed in a Sabo-ToD....does this mean the detractor is full of BS?

[Chris79]

So since she healed in a Sabo-ToD....does this mean the detractor is full of BS?

Depends on whether she was the saboteur or not

[altrocks]

Only really venting because I woke up and realized I'm still pretty darn ticked about the whole thing.

I think it is safe to say any who have ran with Auro, Cari or Faye know I play this for fun. It is in each bio saying just that... and even stating I won't join groups that are the serious, epic, uber whatever...I get that some like to play that way, and more power to you..and I know that our play styles would not go together, so I stay away from lfms that I know will be the more serious ones.

Shockingly enough...I'm actually a pretty decent healer. Trust me no one is as shocked as me about the whole thing. I made Cari a heal bot and have a blast playing her.

Last night a friend asked me to give a few tips to a cleric who was struggling on what to do, what gear he needed. So I joined the group, showed him the equip Cari has, saying there are other things you could get, depends what you want out of your healer. Told him what enhancements I took, again saying honestly some of them I had no idea why I took them and then went on to compare stats with him.

At the stat comparison, mr jerk (trust me I have a few colorful names I'd like to say) joins the group. I am going down my list of stats, and get to con.... yes I used it as a dump stat, and even said that to the other cleric. Cari was my 2nd toon, I know now that it was a mistake, but well as a healbot, I really don't get hit. Her con is 22. Mr.jerk hears that and demands to know how many hp she has...I tell him 372. he then proceeds to scream at me that I would not last 30 seconds in ToD with that sort of hp, and how dare I tell this other cleric who will be running ToD how to build, I have a gimp cleric .... I dropped group right then.

I suppose what is really bothering me is having someone yell at me for showing an example of what another person has.I wasn't telling the other cleric what to pick for stats or how he should build his toon...I did tell him he may want to eat a tome to even out his wis...and gave him a +6 necklace to help, that was the most advice he got.

I know Cari isn't the most uber elite cleric out there, and I would never claim her as one... but I do know (most times) what I'm doing. I have solo healed short man shrouds, 6man elite dq2, 90%of the time solo heal elite von...I know, nothing all that spectacular...but since we don't wipe, I can't be all that gimp. I really don't plan on running ToD with her. She was flagged at 16, and yes healed out there. And I don't (until they make me) plan on being in epics. She is fine for what I play.


The tl/dr version.... some people chose not to run epics or worry about their toons being epic ready. Some chose not to run certain quests. Be thankful that I know my toon isn't built "right" to enter the great world of ToD and epic questing and I am not that healer who gets added because they have all the right gear and ends up causing a party wipe. I don't tell you how to build your toon, or say what you should or shouldn't run...and it may be a total pipe dream, but I expect the same in return.

Bah! I have had every kind of person tell me that all of my toons are gimp for one reason or another. "AA isn't DPS" or "What do you mean your sorc doesn't carry Meteor Swarm?" or "Why is your aura only healing me for 24 a tick? *MY* Cleric can do 26!"

I can still do every quest and raid, epic or not, in the game with all of them (and have). I still have fun running them. I still do what I'm supposed to do in the party. So why do these people feel the need to tell other players how to have fun properly? Do I bust in to your barbecue and tell you that you have the wrong beer and you should be grilling those burgers at a slightly higher temperature and oh god don't get me started on what bug spray you chose! No.

So, +1 to you! Games are for fun. That's the point. Not max HP or Max DPS or max anything else but fun. Rock on.

[Aurora_nyx]

Depends on whether she was the saboteur or not

hush you ...or I'll start claiming that Cari learned her healing skills from you


Cari went all out tonight, tod,vod,hound, shroud and a neekid tempest spine run....some of them during and after mai tais even...

feel sorry for the 11 others

and now, I think I better go sleep them off before I get myself into too much trouble