Cleric rant

[Terebinthia]

If that inculdes 500+ sleeping on their sisters couches :'(

the Jerk was an idiot talking outta his ass...

Dont listen to tere. she has no idea what shes talking about!

And hey.. your hp is alot better then the 180hp fvs/clerics ive run into who insist apon meleeing...*shivers*

So im sure your just fine. cant say i know from experiance since i forget 90% of the puggers i run with^^

I saw that. Hush you.

:P

[wootvenu]

In MMO platform u find all sorts of ppl, ppl who cap a toon and think they conquered all the knowledge of building and playing. At the same time there are people who really learn very quickly as they lvl up and cap their toon.

Important thing is to Remember its just a game and have a nice and sound sleep donot let the game get into ur head in RL

[Garvin]

OMG 372HP is DEFINATELY fine for a Cleric.

I do not know what the dude's problem is, I mean a range of 360-380 on a healer is ok, besides if said healer gets hit, there is always the heal spell to bring it back up to max, I mean unless the doofus figures you not going to heal yourself in a pinch then I think he is sadly dillusional.

Throw in Divine intervention or death pact, 372HP is top-notch.

So don't bother with the ridiculous comments of someone who clearly has not played a healer himself and blabbers about things which he probably heard from some other doofus.

[altrocks]

OMG 372HP is DEFINATELY fine for a Cleric.

I do not know what the dude's problem is, I mean a range of 360-380 on a healer is ok, besides if said healer gets hit, there is always the heal spell to bring it back up to max, I mean unless the doofus figures you not going to heal yourself in a pinch then I think he is sadly dillusional.

Throw in Divine intervention or death pact, 372HP is top-notch.

So don't bother with the ridiculous comments of someone who clearly has not played a healer himself and blabbers about things which he probably heard from some other doofus.

Off-topic, but... when are you going to make a Barbarian named Axewound?

[Blank_Zero]

Off-topic, but... when are you going to make a Barbarian named Axewound?

It's been discussed quite often in guild chat....

[NaturalHazard]

lol never thought of boots... guess I better find a striding ring now

then you cant wear them in part 3 of tod . what does you mabar cloak give you on your cleric?

[NaturalHazard]

Only really venting because I woke up and realized I'm still pretty darn ticked about the whole thing.

I think it is safe to say any who have ran with Auro, Cari or Faye know I play this for fun. It is in each bio saying just that... and even stating I won't join groups that are the serious, epic, uber whatever...I get that some like to play that way, and more power to you..and I know that our play styles would not go together, so I stay away from lfms that I know will be the more serious ones.

Shockingly enough...I'm actually a pretty decent healer. Trust me no one is as shocked as me about the whole thing. I made Cari a heal bot and have a blast playing her.

Last night a friend asked me to give a few tips to a cleric who was struggling on what to do, what gear he needed. So I joined the group, showed him the equip Cari has, saying there are other things you could get, depends what you want out of your healer. Told him what enhancements I took, again saying honestly some of them I had no idea why I took them and then went on to compare stats with him.

At the stat comparison, mr jerk (trust me I have a few colorful names I'd like to say) joins the group. I am going down my list of stats, and get to con.... yes I used it as a dump stat, and even said that to the other cleric. Cari was my 2nd toon, I know now that it was a mistake, but well as a healbot, I really don't get hit. Her con is 22. Mr.jerk hears that and demands to know how many hp she has...I tell him 372. he then proceeds to scream at me that I would not last 30 seconds in ToD with that sort of hp, and how dare I tell this other cleric who will be running ToD how to build, I have a gimp cleric .... I dropped group right then.

I suppose what is really bothering me is having someone yell at me for showing an example of what another person has.I wasn't telling the other cleric what to pick for stats or how he should build his toon...I did tell him he may want to eat a tome to even out his wis...and gave him a +6 necklace to help, that was the most advice he got.

I know Cari isn't the most uber elite cleric out there, and I would never claim her as one... but I do know (most times) what I'm doing. I have solo healed short man shrouds, 6man elite dq2, 90%of the time solo heal elite von...I know, nothing all that spectacular...but since we don't wipe, I can't be all that gimp. I really don't plan on running ToD with her. She was flagged at 16, and yes healed out there. And I don't (until they make me) plan on being in epics. She is fine for what I play.


The tl/dr version.... some people chose not to run epics or worry about their toons being epic ready. Some chose not to run certain quests. Be thankful that I know my toon isn't built "right" to enter the great world of ToD and epic questing and I am not that healer who gets added because they have all the right gear and ends up causing a party wipe. I don't tell you how to build your toon, or say what you should or shouldn't run...and it may be a total pipe dream, but I expect the same in return.

So what happened? If i was the leader of this tod group I would of immediatly booted this person from the party, and maybe squelched him as well, I cant stand people who scream at others over the mike.

Then prob sent you a tell asking you to come back, dont worry mr/miss cleric the screaming barb has gotten das boot, please comes back and jhealz uz!!!

[Noopleh]

Also not eveyone happens to have GS HP items....

[Terebinthia]

then you cant wear them in part 3 of tod . what does you mabar cloak give you on your cleric?

The disadvantage to the cloak slot in TOD is that it's very handy to have the Mantle there at that point too. I made that choice and it seems fine to me, but it's certainly something to consider when planning where to put your HP item.

[Garvin]

Off-topic, but... when are you going to make a Barbarian named Axewound?

Not to steal this thread, but yes lol, guildies and many pple I know have suggested various incarnatinos of my wound series.

Axewound is one of those names they had in mind for me hahahhah.

But sadly I love to play healer/support classes, the wizard was just coz someone in guild once asked me to make a kiter for tod and tada he was born lol.
As for the fighter he is an orphan child that I try not to think about rofl

[Aurora_nyx]

then you cant wear them in part 3 of tod . what does you mabar cloak give you on your cleric?

but I don't really run ToD, that sabotaged run was Caris first and only one for a long time(the guys I run with keep telling me when they are all flagged I will be...). Most groups who run it are just too serious for me, and stressing over a game is something I refuse to do.

and I suppose, if I have some strange change of character and decide to start running ToD more, I can always make a dif GS hp item. Need something to do with those scales anyhow

[RudeIota]

Her con is 22. Mr.jerk hears that and demands to know how many hp she has...I tell him 372. he then proceeds to scream at me that I would not last 30 seconds in ToD with that sort of hp, and how dare I tell this other cleric who will be running ToD how to build, I have a gimp cleric ....

Oh, he must be a DDO forum regular then... ::facepalm::

People are generally palatable-to-pleasant on DDO, but the ones who aren't are usually the LOUDEST. Don't let them bring you down. FYI, I've compiled the secrets to making a great character (any class!) using a formula derived from the forums. Enjoy!

A template for building ANY character, as according to DDO forums:

1.) Be a Warforged or Dwarf. (Tip: NEVER be a Drow... Ever..)
2.) Start 20 CON. Consider more CON during level ups...
3.) Take toughness for all of your general feats (One exception: Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh)
4.) Take all racial and class toughness enhancements
5.) Get greater/superior false life ASAP
6.) Get 45 HP goggles
7.) Wear a Minos until you can slot toughness in an epic item
8.) Keep chugging Yugoloth CON potions
9.) +6 CON and +2 CON (exceptional) and make sure you get some healing amp too. 700% should be easily attainable
10.) Don't forget the +2 CON tome at 7 and the +4 CON tome later!

NOW you may customize your character as you please with any class feats (if available) and maybe put some points into STR or something...

Thank you, DDO forums, for making meatshields out of all casters and specialists of any variety...


Seriously though -- for a "healbot" cleric -- 372 HP is perfect without epic gear. 14 CON is EXACTLY what you should have chosen. You have more important stats like WIS to worry about and more important feats to worry about like empower healing and mental toughness. 14 CON, toughness once, couple of racial toughness enhancements and a +HP item... and you're golden.

[PNellesen]

A template for building ANY character, as according to DDO forums:

1.) Be a Warforged or Dwarf. (Tip: NEVER be a Drow... Ever..)
2.) Start 20 CON. Consider more CON during level ups...
3.) Take toughness for all of your general feats (One exception: Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh)
4.) Take all racial and class toughness enhancements
5.) Get greater/superior false life ASAP
6.) Get 45 HP goggles
7.) Wear a Minos until you can slot toughness in an epic item
8.) Keep chugging Yugoloth CON potions
9.) +2 CON and make sure you get some healing amp too. 700% should be easily attainable
10.) Don't forget the +2 CON tome at 7 and the +4 CON tome later!

NOW you may customize your character as you please with any class feats (if available) and maybe put some points into STR or something...

+1 for making me almost spit out my lunch laughing

[Enoach]

+1 for making me almost spit out my lunch laughing

Lunch... I had to clean my morning cup of coffee off of both my monitors...

[Battlehawke]

There is no fun in letting others die.... Unless of course they don't wait for buffs or heals.... Or if they are a ranger who won't give you a Barkskin, or Jump, because he thinks you should bring pots.....then they deserve to die...often.

[Aurora_nyx]

omg that was funny

I switched to Cari last night to run sos with a few people I had done a shroud run with and was joking about the whole Cari doesn't have enough hp. One guy was quiet concerned about the hp issue, asking well how do you have it so low...you must have never taken toughness, you must have never done this...you don't have the right gear...I was laughing, Cari is pretty nicely geared out for a non epic gear toon (and I did take one lvl of toughness and my 2 racial ones). I was attempting to assure him since Cari was healing sos at 16 without all the nice gear she now has, I could likely handle healing it ... He was still quite stuck on the low hp thing and finally a buddy who was in the group goes... "She's drow" there was a pause and then "Oh...." and yes, SoS went fine, actually pretty darn quick run of it tho I have to remember to not draw so much agro at the end fight...heals and divine punishment get him a bit upset

I'd be horrible at that list of what to do...WF, while I love them, are too ugly for me to play. Dwarfs too... there is already a grumpy dwarf in the group I run with and I think he'd have his feelings hurt for there to be another one

[Roguewiz]

Next time someone says 'You won't last 30 seconds!' respond 'Neither will you if I don't heal'.

They'll either shut up, get tired of ghost form, know exactly what is in your inventory after spending alot of time in there, or leave the group.

[RudeIota]

One guy was quiet concerned about the hp issue, asking well how do you have it so low...you must have never taken toughness, you must have never done this...you don't have the right gear...

This.. I hate this. I have an anecdote too...

I had a Paladin who at level 13 had about 300 HP (unbuffed). No, that's not particularly high... I know. We were doing Undermine on elite and at the very first part where all the mobs jump out of the pit, -- needless to say -- I was getting hit pretty hard, even with heavy fort. The healer asked, "How much life do you have?". I said 300 and the reply was, "O.o". The other Pally in the group was 15. He said he had 420 HP and actually *I* was also kind of "O.o"... but in a good way. I simply couldn't make the numbers work for someone to have SO much life with my (limited) knowledge of DDO at the time and only be 2 levels ahead of me.

My highest level character was 15 Fighter at the time (and my first) so I didn't have much in the way of great equipment, but I did buy the best equipment available to me from the AH and filled in the gaps with the best stuff I could find while questing.

I cannot remember exactly, but I believe my Pally looked like this at the time:

+ 104 base HP (lvl 13 x 8hp)
+ 20 heroic durability
+ 15 toughness
+ 20 racial toughness x 2
+ 30 class toughness x 3
+ 24 (14 con.. I know I know..)
+ 12 +2 con tome
+ 36 +6 con necklace
+ 30 greater false life
--
291 HP total


I know that sounds low, but I mean, what more do you expect a person to do? I didn't have a Minos Legens or Twilight Vale at the time, so I think it sucks that some people expects random PUGs to be awesomely geared. They honestly didn't understand how I could have so little HP, no doubt because they've been sitting fat and happy on their GS, Dragontouched, set item blah blah loot for years... They must have forgotten what it's like to just be a 'normal' player. Conversely, I couldn't understand how someone could have +400HP at my level... just seemed insane.

For what it is worth though -- even with 14 CON and my paltry equipment -- I held up nicely well into mid game. Despite the futility later on, high AC helped a lot. I took a break from playing my Pally around 14 or so and I came back to her once I had a couple of level 20s. I twinked her out and at level 20, she sits at 76 AC unbuffed (with combat expertise) and 500 HP now... not great but still a work in progress. She might have 14 base CON, but Shavarath on norm/hard has been pretty effortless, although ToD has yet to be tested. :-)

[Blank_Zero]

This.. I hate this. I have an anecdote too...

I had a Paladin who at level 13 had about 300 HP (unbuffed). No, that's not particularly high... I know. We were doing Undermine on elite and at the very first part where all the mobs jump out of the pit, -- needless to say -- I was getting hit pretty hard, even with heavy fort. The healer asked, "How much life do you have?". I said 300 and the reply was, "O.o". The other Pally in the group was 15. He said he had 420 HP and actually *I* was also kind of "O.o"... but in a good way. I simply couldn't make the numbers work for someone to have SO much life with my (limited) knowledge of DDO at the time and only be 2 levels ahead of me.

My highest level character was 15 Fighter at the time (and my first) so I didn't have much in the way of great equipment, but I did buy the best equipment available to me from the AH and filled in the gaps with the best stuff I could find while questing.

I cannot remember exactly, but I believe my Pally looked like this at the time:

+ 104 base HP (lvl 13 x 8hp)
+ 20 heroic durability
+ 15 toughness
+ 20 racial toughness x 2
+ 30 class toughness x 3
+ 24 (14 con.. I know I know..)
+ 12 +2 con tome
+ 36 +6 con necklace
+ 30 greater false life
--
291 HP total


I know that sounds low, but I mean, what more do you expect a person to do? I didn't have a Minos Legens or Twilight Vale at the time, so I think it sucks that some people expects random PUGs to be awesomely geared. They honestly didn't understand how I could have so little HP, no doubt because they've been sitting fat and happy on their GS, Dragontouched, set item blah blah loot for years... They must have forgotten what it's like to just be a 'normal' player. Conversely, I couldn't understand how someone could have +400HP at my level... just seemed insane.

For what it is worth though -- even with 14 CON and my paltry equipment -- I held up nicely well into mid game. Despite the futility later on, high AC helped a lot. I took a break from playing my Pally around 14 or so and I came back to her once I had a couple of level 20s. I twinked her out and at level 20, she sits at 76 AC unbuffed (with combat expertise) and 500 HP now... not great but still a work in progress. She might have 14 base CON, but Shavarath on norm/hard has been pretty effortless, although ToD has yet to be tested. :-)

If you can pump out about 4-8 more AC, yo can tank Horoth real easy.

[DoctorWhofan]

OMG 372HP is DEFINATELY fine for a Cleric.

I do not know what the dude's problem is, I mean a range of 360-380 on a healer is ok, besides if said healer gets hit, there is always the heal spell to bring it back up to max, I mean unless the doofus figures you not going to heal yourself in a pinch then I think he is sadly dillusional.

Throw in Divine intervention or death pact, 372HP is top-notch.

So don't bother with the ridiculous comments of someone who clearly has not played a healer himself and blabbers about things which he probably heard from some other doofus.

My main has 345.