Improved Destruction: -4 or -8 AC?

[peterfrosty42]

Always thought the improved version of destruction was -8 AC, but it seems to be evidence that this is not the case.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Destruction_(weapon)
http://ddowiki.com/page/Talkestruction_(weapon)

Anyone know if this is working as intended, and how long it's been this way.....?

EDIT: Fixed URLs

[AMDarkwolf]

2 broken links...

but ya, destruct was -4 ac, and imp.destruct was -8, total -12 if u stack both.

Or it did(new stealth u9 change? haven't checked since)

Just take someone into pvp and ask them what ac is after u tag them with both.

[basketaske]

just add a ) to the end of the links after you've clicked them, common problem with wiki links. Interesting though, the -8 not working on it's own.

[Adrian99]

I do remember specifically reading a post on this topic by a reputable forum poster (can't find the thread atm). According to them, Destruction and Improved Destruction both give a -4 AC penalty, but they stack. So if you hit a boss with either a Destruction or Imp. Destruction weapon, that's -4 AC, but hit with both and it's -8 AC.

[SableShadow]

I do remember specifically reading a post on this topic

If you mean me, I was just citing the wiki ... no formal testing on my part.

[Carpone]

Wouldn't the stacking be easy to validate in PvP?

[Humperdink]

Improved Destruction has never worked as the text description says, which is -8. It has always been bugged at -4. I can confirm this as I tested it months ago and occasionally over time to see if it's been fixed. I've even submitted a bug fix. Although to be fair, I haven't checked lately, I gave up. Destruction and Improved Destruction do stack however, for -8 total. After playing this game for a long time, one thing you learn is to test actual numbers. The text descriptions have been wrong or just plain missing information before on many things.

[Psyker]

I've also thought for a long time that improved destruction wasn't giving the full -8 to AC, glad to see some confirmation to this from other players.

[Quikster]

Improved Destruction has never worked as the text description says, which is -8. It has always been bugged at -4. I can confirm this as I tested it months ago and occasionally over time to see if it's been fixed. I've even submitted a bug fix. Although to be fair, I haven't checked lately, I gave up. Destruction and Improved Destruction do stack however, for -8 total. After playing this game for a long time, one thing you learn is to test actual numbers. The text descriptions have been wrong or just plain missing information before on many things.

This is correct. I posted a test with screenshots somewhere, but ofc i cant find that thread now

[Shade]

My test years ago showed it was -8, tho non stacking with regular destruction.

I tested versus angog in von1 epic.

Testing in pvp won't produce accurate results, because some effects work and stack differently on players then monsters.