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    I was getting caught up with listening to past DDO Pod Casts (awesome job by the way) about character names.

    I am one of those folks who mostly stick with a theme for character names – when I log in most people in my guild know it is me by the name theme. Most people of a list of alts with names that do not have any connection- which makes it really hard to know who is who with the number of alts people have.

    I would like to make a suggestion to help people identify alts in the guild easier. It would work similar to how people “link” items.

    When someone links and item – you can mouse over the name in the chat box – click – and a window pops up with the item description.

    I would like see the functionality added that when you mouse over a character’s name in guild chat – you can click on their name and have a box pop up with the names ( and maybe race and classes/levels) of the alts that are in the guild.

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    Yeah I agree that something must be done in this regard.

    Many uses of this functionality, for example:
    Knowing everyone in a small guild is already challenging I cant imagine this in a large guild.
    Also removing an account from a guild can be too difficult if the person being kicked has many unkown alts that were recruited by other officers.


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    this would be an update item I would really look forward to!

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    I too use a naming convention to have familiarity among my chars. And i don't have that many chars. But it seems people with many chars have all kind of names for their chars and it makes it a pain to learn to who all those chars belong to.

    We can't force others to use a naming convention (that is one of the big plusses from pd-guilds, they do work with naming conventions for the ease of recognizing, or at least MV does), so it would be great if Turbine implemented some kind of recognition.
    Not saying i need to see the whole list of alts when hovering over a name, but perhaps show the main (like listed on my.ddo) or the account name. Some way to make it easier to see who a char belongs to.

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    I think it would look better in an outline format.

    Otsegolation - 17 Rogue Halfling Officer Primary Character (I have it identified that way in myddo, but you could specify it in the guild since myddo is broken)
    - Greenskin - 7 Wizard Warforged Member
    - Twotwigs - 6 Paladin Drow Member
    - Rabbitmaster - 1 Rogue, 4 Ranger Dwarf Member
    - ect

    This method allows you to see the characters by account, which is the method used to calculate decay, but still lets you see all of the member of your guild at a glance without needing to mouse over things.
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    /signed-ish.
    i would only want that to work in guild chat.

    when i run with a noob group on my cleric in deleras and end up carrying then through it since they dont know what the hell hp or fort is, i dont want them to be bothering me on all my toons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tunst View Post
    /signed-ish.
    i would only want that to work in guild chat.

    when i run with a noob group on my cleric in deleras and end up carrying then through it since they dont know what the hell hp or fort is, i dont want them to be bothering me on all my toons.
    I totally agree- Only people in your guild should be able to see your alts that are in the same guild. If you have a few alts in another guild - they should not be listed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Propane View Post
    I totally agree- Only people in your guild should be able to see your alts that are in the same guild. If you have a few alts in another guild - they should not be listed...
    /signed

    Use a named theme also. It would be nice to maybe connect them with the last name? Maybe each person choose only one last name that is unique applies to all characters. Or maybe a surname? Since last name is already out there?

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    i use the same name in game or out of game with slight mods. when i have or had more than one char on a server.

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    Maybe we can have some feature where doubleclick on a toon trims the member list to only show the alts of that account.
    This way new members wouldn't have to ask who is who every time one of your 20 alts logs in

    Also a checkbox to trim the members list to the last used toon per account.
    This way an officer can look at a glance who's on, etc.

    All these triming of the list can be done in the client, using the full list sent by the server.
    Just have to include the account on each toon entry.

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    Absolutely not.

    I don't want a guildie to be able to harass me with tells no matter which character I try to hide on with requests to jump on my cleric and heal his group or just because he feels he should have gotten the drop in the raid last night instead of I.

    If people want to know all my characters they can ask me and I can choose whether or not to tell them.

    Likewise if you want to know all of someone else's characters, then you can ask them.

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    Having alt-names and maybe class/race/level of one's alts would be cool as some sort of toggle-able UI setting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dysmetria View Post
    Absolutely not.

    I don't want a guildie to be able to harass me with tells no matter which character I try to hide on with requests to jump on my cleric and heal his group or just because he feels he should have gotten the drop in the raid last night instead of I.

    If people want to know all my characters they can ask me and I can choose whether or not to tell them.

    Likewise if you want to know all of someone else's characters, then you can ask them.
    If they are that annoying, /squelch them, guildie or not.

    As for asking - a guild with 20 people, each of whom has 2-10 alts, makes for quite a list to remember. Just imagine a larger guild!

    Good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dysmetria View Post
    Absolutely not.

    I don't want a guildie to be able to harass me with tells no matter which character I try to hide on with requests to jump on my cleric and heal his group or just because he feels he should have gotten the drop in the raid last night instead of I.

    If people want to know all my characters they can ask me and I can choose whether or not to tell them.

    Likewise if you want to know all of someone else's characters, then you can ask them.
    If you feel the need to hide in your own guild, then the problem here is not with the OP's suggestion. Everyone needs an occasional break, and thats what alt-NON-guilded toons are for. Any such alt-identifier should be limited ONLY to in-guild toons. It should NOT identify any alt toons not in that guild. But honestly, anyone who would add a toon to the SAME guild, then pretend they arent ALREADY part of that guild? Something is wrong with the player and/or the guild, and that rare exception should not prevent this suggestion from being followed-through. Just the ability to manage the guild list better (particularly for GLs and officers) would be worth it.

    Personally, I wouldnt allow anyone into the guild without vetting them first anyway, and if you are an alt pretending NOT to be an alt, that would get you a one-way ticket out just for lying about it instead of being honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by varusso View Post
    If you feel the need to hide in your own guild, then the problem here is not with the OP's suggestion. Everyone needs an occasional break, and thats what alt-NON-guilded toons are for. Any such alt-identifier should be limited ONLY to in-guild toons. It should NOT identify any alt toons not in that guild. But honestly, anyone who would add a toon to the SAME guild, then pretend they arent ALREADY part of that guild? Something is wrong with the player and/or the guild, and that rare exception should not prevent this suggestion from being followed-through. Just the ability to manage the guild list better (particularly for GLs and officers) would be worth it.

    Personally, I wouldnt allow anyone into the guild without vetting them first anyway, and if you are an alt pretending NOT to be an alt, that would get you a one-way ticket out just for lying about it instead of being honest.
    There are plenty of reasons to not have every character you play on that server known to everyone on it, whether they are all in the same guild or not, whether they are in one guild or ten.

    All this system would do is encourage the people that have any one of those reasons to join a different guild with each character, instead of contributing all of their time, renown, and/or diamonds to one.

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    A guild user name to toons you wish to be connected to your name perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dysmetria View Post
    There are plenty of reasons to not have every character you play on that server known to everyone on it, whether they are all in the same guild or not, whether they are in one guild or ten.

    All this system would do is encourage the people that have any one of those reasons to join a different guild with each character, instead of contributing all of their time, renown, and/or diamonds to one.
    You only emphasize my point that anyone not wanting their guildies to know who their GUILDED alts are demonstrates a problem with that player and/or the guild. If you feel the need to go to such desperate lengths as spreading your toons over multiple guilds just to hide their identities (which is of course an extremely exaggerated example as a reaction) then you should probably question why you are IN that guild to begin with. If your guild is just a glorified super-pug -- *shrug*

    Once again, it is a minority issue and a ridiculously extreme example. A benefit to 99% of the server cannot realistically be discarded just because 1% object. In a purely numbers game, the 99% would win out, as it should.

    And allowing guildies to view guilded alts is NOT the same as giving out the info to the entire server. Its information everyone in the guild has access to anyway, sooner or later, unless you are a closet paranoid and refuse to interact with anyone else in the guild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dysmetria View Post
    There are plenty of reasons to not have every character you play on that server known to everyone on it, whether they are all in the same guild or not, whether they are in one guild or ten.

    All this system would do is encourage the people that have any one of those reasons to join a different guild with each character, instead of contributing all of their time, renown, and/or diamonds to one.
    I have a hard time seeing where you are coming from, can you explain it more?

    Why would one work hard to contribute all of their time, renown, etc... to a guild that they are hiding from?

    All the information about all of your characters (alts – mains etc) is already accessible on My DDO - this is just an easier & much quicker way for people to keep track of each other.

    When you log in - the guild tab shows who is logged in, how long people of been logged out, etc... A system like this would help close the gap of guildies knowing what is going on - who is on line - etc...

    I suppose you could "op in" to this system, but that would add additional work (not needed IMO).
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    Similar suggestions have been made in the past. I have suggested changing it so that a player could have an option to share their alt names and it would appear on someone's 'friends' list. It certainly would be nice to know everyone's alts in guild.

    Quote Originally Posted by varusso View Post
    You only emphasize my point that anyone not wanting their guildies to know who their GUILDED alts are demonstrates a problem with that player and/or the guild. If you feel the need to go to such desperate lengths as spreading your toons over multiple guilds just to hide their identities (which is of course an extremely exaggerated example as a reaction) then you should probably question why you are IN that guild to begin with. If your guild is just a glorified super-pug -- *shrug*
    Eh, sometimes you don't want to run in a guild at all. Sometimes you just want to login and play without anyone knowing it is you.
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    Being able to sort the guild list by account would be a great feature. Just add an account_name column to click on... and for people that prefer privacy (as set in myddo) anonymous accounts could just show up as "anonymous1, anonymous2, etc"
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