No more rogues on Orien? :/

[rawrketties]

For the past week I've had trouble filling the party, and it's always been down to a lack of rogues, even more so than healers! Did something happen? O.o (this is low lvls btw, haven't played my capped chars in a while)

[le_goat]

Didn't you get the memo? pure rogues are out.

[CrushingInklings]

I got tired of being told i wasnt DPS or my 525 unbuffed hp wasnt enough to do raids on normal so i TRed into a something else.

[baletraeger]

Try looking for rouges instead of rogues, since everyone is more interested in overpowdered characters... just watch out for the ones who haven't put any skill points into spot becuase they 'know where all the traps are' :P

[Isharah]

Who needs rogues, we take traps liek real men!!

[dfgdsdfv]

well i gotta say that while i was leveling during my tr, i've entered a lot of almost filled groups that were holding for just 1 rogue.
On the other side, i usually don't see any trouble finding rogues for high level or epics.

Alexanderv 12ftr/8rog

[karl_k0ch]

I got tired of being told i wasnt DPS or my 525 unbuffed hp wasnt enough to do raids on normal so i TRed into a something else.

I heard a similar story happened to another veteran, multiple TRing player (I know the name, but I'm not mentioning it here for forum policy reasons) recently with new invasion - a barbarian with rogue levels just cannot be DPS.

My rogues (or rogue splashes, for that matter) are level 13, 15 and 20, btw.

[Truga]

A barbarian with rogue levels just cannot be DPS.

Correct. A rogue with barbarian levels on the other hand...

[Roderickus]

Oh there are many rogues roaming arround lemme assure u... but for whatever reason some of them don't invest in disable device/open lock/search early lvls (or at all?) so "they don't end up with 'gimp' build"... god forbid some items to boost their skills.

Had a rotation of 2-3 rogues joining on lfm when we were doing House K quests around lvl 7. None of the was able to do traps in lvl range, one of them was even legend build which makes me sad thinking he didn't learn anything in his past lives...

What kind of a re&arded build requires a rogue to disregard his skills completely.
Eventually a Barbarian with spalsh rogue lvl(s) joined as replacement and he did well

I hope that's just my experience and that there are actually more capable rogues on lower lvls.

[Qezuzu]

Correct. A rogue with barbarian levels on the other hand...

And give up the capstone? Gimp.

[Bufo_Alvarius]

a barbarian with rogue levels just cannot be DPS.

Especially if they use picks... nubs.

[Crazyfruit]

And give up the capstone? Gimp.

Cheat Death isn't -that- powerful.

[Qezuzu]

Cheat Death isn't -that- powerful.

Get with the times... Deadly Shadow capstone, an additional 4d6 SA damage a hit.

Show me a splash of any class that gives over 14 damage a hit. Or 17.5 for 18/x, or 21 for 17/x, or 24.5 for 16/x

That's right... 41% of a (assassin) rogue's SA damage die comes from the last 4 levels. It is very hard to multiclass a rogue and still have higher DPS than a pure rogue.

[CrushingInklings]

Get with the times... Deadly Shadow capstone, an additional 4d6 SA damage a hit.

Show me a splash of any class that gives over 14 damage a hit. Or 17.5 for 18/x, or 21 for 17/x, or 24.5 for 16/x

That's right... 41% of a (assassin) rogue's SA damage die comes from the last 4 levels. It is very hard to multiclass a rogue and still have higher DPS than a pure rogue.

Watch out for low flying planes.

[karl_k0ch]

That's right... 41% of a (assassin) rogue's SA damage die comes from the last 4 levels. It is very hard to multiclass a rogue and still have higher DPS than a pure rogue.

My level 15 Rogue already deals 10d6 + 19 + 8 SA damage.

I admit, she's a TR'd Halfling, but even without these 7 extra damage: 55 for the first fifteen levels and 24.5 for 16-20 are not 59% and 41%. More like 70/30. In my case it's even only 72/28, and less with the PL clickie active.

And to answer the question which splash makes it worth giving up the capstone: Monk. Fast Attack speed is fast. And it does make up for the capstone, especially against mobs which are SA immune.

[PuppiesAndRainbows]

Puppies And Rainbows

[Qezuzu]

My level 15 Rogue already deals 10d6 + 19 + 8 SA damage.

I admit, she's a TR'd Halfling, but even without these 7 extra damage: 55 for the first fifteen levels and 24.5 for 16-20 are not 59% and 41%. More like 70/30. In my case it's even only 72/28, and less with the PL clickie active.

I said 41% of SA dice.

10d6 in 16 levels
then 7 in 4 levels.

And to answer the question which splash makes it worth giving up the capstone: Monk. Fast Attack speed is fast. And it does make up for the capstone, especially against mobs which are SA immune.

It is faster, but the **** poor crit profile, loss of capstone and the inability to use LitII's makes me think the speed isn't as good as it seems.

[kernal42]

I said 41% of SA dice.

Which is an irrelevant statistic.

The monk splash for attack speed is certainly viable. It has less dps vs trash (though still excellent trash dps), but does better against 50%-100% fort targets than a pure rogue (IIRC).

-Kernal

[porq]

There's probably no rogues around because of how pugs have been treating them on this server. A lot of people seem to think rogues aren't a dps class and deny them entry in a melee spot, or just automatically assume they're squishy and auto decline. That's probably true for some of the rogues we have, but not all of them are. It's unfortunate that the few really bad ones give them all a bad rap.

Don't get me wrong though. I've seen the rogues that go into sneak mode the whole quest, like they think they can hide from the fact they're piking the whole time .

Everyone wants a rogue when they want traps done, but treat them poorly the rest of the time. That's why we don't have any more rogues on Orien.

[thewalex]

There's probably no rogues around because of how pugs have been treating them on this server. A lot of people seem to think rogues aren't a dps class and deny them entry in a melee spot, or just automatically assume they're squishy and auto decline.

The rogue characters on Orien I know all go Anon when they play and generally only run with static groups for leveling and guilds for raids because of this ignorant mass rejection from parties for DPS roles. I can understand them not caring to disable traps and unlock chests/doors for PUGs as a small token of karma.