Sarlona Fighters (A Tip)

[Dispel]

If you're a 20 Fighter using melee and don't have 7 Toughness feats you messed up.

Does anyone else agree with me on this? If not, why?

[Kages]

[quote=Dispel;3830904]If you're a 20 Fighter using melee and don't have 7 Toughness feats you messed up.

Does anyone else agree with me on this? If not, why?[/quote]
No! There is no right way to play a game, its a game. If you can't understand that then go play another game!

[Dispel]

Interesting viewpoint sir. I however do not agree because if you take anything else you lose valuable end-game HP and thus become squishier whereas large pit fiends can then 1shot you and cause clerics to get upset and ragequit.

[mws2970]

If you're a 20 Fighter using melee and don't have 7 Toughness feats you messed up.

Does anyone else agree with me on this? If not, why?

Nothing to see here. Move along.

[Darkrok]

It depends on what you're doing and why you're doing it. If you're looking to tank Horoth on elite or you're doing PvP then sure - every single hp counts. There are other perfectly reasonable goals in the game though and most of those don't take 7 toughness feats.

[mws2970]

It depends on what you're doing and why you're doing it. If you're looking to tank Horoth on elite or you're doing PvP then sure - every single hp counts. There are other perfectly reasonable goals in the game though and most of those don't take 7 toughness feats.

Dispel doesn't PvP!

[Phidius]

just passin' through...

[Zerenety]

hurrrrrrrrrrrrr durrrrrrrrrrr

[English_Warrior]

Can anyone guess what this is:





[Kages]

Interesting viewpoint sir. I however do not agree because if you take anything else you lose valuable end-game HP and thus become squishier whereas large pit fiends can then 1shot you and cause clerics to get upset and ragequit.

/rant

Your allowed to have your opinions bro. Regardless of your view point or opinion it doesn't make you right. Yes some people go for the high hit points, 550 is respectable 600 is respectable for a fighter. They dont need 750 for any reason other than tanking and my 600 can handle that just fine. Not everyone goes for that high hp count though, some people like more versatility or some better dps. There are always more enhancements/feats that can help your toon out in more ways than just stacking that hp count up.

You being a "PVP" toon like your hit points, it works for you and it works for pvp. Especially if you dont want to get PWS'd every time you turn around. Also, low CHA on a sorc doesn't help your situation. People don't want that in their PVE groups bro, your SP and DC's take too much of a hit. Yes, you outlived the party. The question is did you contribute. Arguments can be brought in all directions on this. The fact is your toon isn't my toon, I don't care enough to tell you how to run it and I don't have the right too either.

See, there are many ways to play a toon. No one way is right, no one way is best. As long as you enjoy the game then more power to ya. I will be happy for ya. Enjoy the game and stop worrying about what people think of you, at the end of the day no one cares.

/rantoff

[fluffybunnywilson]

Interesting viewpoint sir. I however do not agree because if you take anything else you lose valuable end-game HP and thus become squishier whereas large pit fiends can then 1shot you and cause clerics to get upset and ragequit.

I took 2 Toughness feats on my Fighter 20 and all of my other feats add to DPS in one way or another.

I die sometimes when tanking VoD on Hard when the Orthons come because the lag gets so bad that I can't remove my own curses, but that's pretty much all that I die in. And an extra 5 Toughesses wouldn't help that, either. I think I would need more HP if I were going to tank Horoth, but that's about it.

640+ HP is enough to stay alive in just about everything.

[stoopid_cowboy]

If you're a 20 Fighter using melee and don't have 7 Toughness feats you messed up.

Thank you for showing me the error of my ways. I shall be rerolling my Horc 18brb/2rge that only has 550hp's. Ignore the fact that he has 50+ UMD and is very self sufficient. But he only has one toughness feat and a couple of racial toughnesses. Kind of hard to manage 7 toughness enhancements with all of the Half Orc racial attack and damage bonuses. When I rolled that character I thought it was more important to kill the enemy very fast. The sooner it dies, the less damage I will take. Not to mention the UMD to heal scroll myself and everyone in party.

Thank you for expanding my knowledge as to how a character should be built and played. I have been doing all wrong.

/extreme sarcasm off

yuda

[Kages]

Thank you for showing me the error of my ways. I shall be rerolling my Horc 18brb/2rge that only has 550hp's. Ignore the fact that he has 50+ UMD and is very self sufficient. But he only has one toughness feat and a couple of racial toughnesses. Kind of hard to manage 7 toughness enhancements with all of the Half Orc racial attack and damage bonuses. When I rolled that character I thought it was more important to kill the enemy very fast. The sooner it dies, the less damage I will take. Not to mention the UMD to heal scroll myself and everyone in party.

Thank you for expanding my knowledge as to how a character should be built and played. I have been doing all wrong.

/extreme sarcasm off

yuda

Gimp taking it upon yourself to build a toon that does its job and even helps party... the shame.

/sarcasm off

[Dracey]

Situations and play style preferences differ, but from my perspective as a healer in general more HP does not make anyone more survival. If someone were to die with 400 HP, that same person will probably die with 700 HP - plain and simple. I HATE healing someone whose strictly focused on HP, those are the ones I tend to let die first. DR and/or AC helps far, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more than multiple toughness. Oh, and there's a select few can pull off survival of heal amp focused builds.

Edit* Are you looking at this 7xtoughness deal in a Pvp point of view? =)

[phalaeo]

Have you ever played a Cleric, Dispel? Like, to cap and as a raid healer?

[Kages]

Situations and play style preferences differ, but from my perspective as a healer in general more HP does not make anyone more survival. If someone were to die with 400 HP, that same person will probably die with 700 HP - plain and simple. I HATE healing someone whose strictly focused on HP, those are the ones I tend to let die first. DR and/or AC helps far, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more than multiple toughness. Oh, and there's a select few can pull off survival of heal amp focused builds.

Agreed, I am a big fan of DR focused builds myself when healing. For anything other than Epic the AC builds are very very nice to heal aswell.

Another thing Dispel. What is your healers name so I can see that you might understand atleast half of what you think you know?

[stoopid_cowboy]

Have you ever played a Cleric, Dispel? Like, to cap and as a raid healer?

When I am healing raids, I MUCH prefer high DPS lower HP fighters over high HP low DPS fighters.
The faster the bad guy dies, the less resources it takes.
11barb/1hjealor shroud anyone?

yuda

[Kages]

When I am healing raids, I MUCH prefer high DPS lower HP fighters over high HP low DPS fighters.
The faster the bad guy dies, the less resources it takes.
11barb/1hjealor shroud anyone?

yuda

Personally think well built Kensei do as much if not more than most barbs out there. Atleast thats what the kill counts tell me

[Cyr]

Ah and there is the old dispel we came to know so well.

[Ystradmynach]

So how does every other melee class survive without 7 toughness feats if they were so important?

If you are planning on tanking, then taking a bunch of toughness feats may be useful, but not every fighter is a tank build, and not every tank is a fighter, and hp is not the only way to defend yourself. And if you are not designed to generate hate and focus the mobs attention, having much more hp than everyone else at the cost of dps is a waste anyway.